Father of Jakob Ingebrigtsen belive Jakob could run a half-marathon under 60min under an interview lately

I understand the pessimistic attitude. How many times haven't people above 25 which have followed this sport in say 10 years or more heard about several supertalented youngsters who become nothing? Many, of course. What I think you and others who are pessimistic and critical doesn't do, is actually looking at JI, his brothers, their success, their control close over training and development etc. A young white kid running 47s after being pushed hard trough intense workouts and then flaming out early can't be compared tho this kid. Sure, we never know what he might be, but look at his brothers, look at his steady development. You started off this thread with bad arguments and instead of replying to the criticism of those you make new, general and standard arguments. Come on, you can do better.

Arne K. wrote:

DC Wonk wrote:

Jakob's times are good for those shorter distances, but in no way can Jakob run a half at sub-60. Sustaining that kind of speed over 13.1 miles requires training I am certain Jakob is not doing. If he trained exclusively for for a 1/2 in 2018, and raced one in the Fall of 2018, I would be shocked if he came close to 62 minutes.

Were you to realize his training and see his testing results, you might believe otherwise.

Perhaps, but I still doubt it. Besides the physical ability to run a sub-60, there's also the mental aspect. Can you mentally handle pushing yourself and enduring significant suffering for that amount of time? It's a huge difference from the 1,500 or 5,000. Look at Jake Robertson's win at the Houston half. He dropped Adola (who almost beat Kipchoge last year) and a group of others in the final two miles with a sustained push to the finish, not easily done. And even with that fast competition on a fast course in cool weather, Robertson still didn't break 60 (although within seconds).

Galen Rupp has run 3:34 1500 and 26:44 10K and he still hasn't broken 60 minutes for the half (although you could argue that Rupp is certainly capable if he specifically trained for a fast half). Anyway, the point is none of these fast times happened when he was young: the fast times happen after years of consistent, focused training with attention to every detail, along with a lot of experience and ability to push for sustained periods near the red zone.

Arne K. wrote:

DC Wonk wrote:

Jakob's times are good for those shorter distances, but in no way can Jakob run a half at sub-60. Sustaining that kind of speed over 13.1 miles requires training I am certain Jakob is not doing. If he trained exclusively for for a 1/2 in 2018, and raced one in the Fall of 2018, I would be shocked if he came close to 62 minutes.

Were you to realize his training and see his testing results, you might believe otherwise.

I'd be surprised if someone like El-Bakkali or Jager or Kipruto ran 60 mins for the half, and so would everyone else.

If the weight of that sentence doesn't fully impact you then you should rethink your reliance on 'testing' results and look at better ways to relate them to the reality of running.

Ronald Kwemoi's 3:28.81 for 1500 World Junior Record is in major jeopardy Jakob Ingebrightsen has 2, yes TWO more seasons to get it, it is not a matter of if, it is a formality and a matter of when, a good guess would be the Oslo Dream Mile (His enroute time).

douglas burke wrote:

Ronald Kwemoi's 3:28.81 for 1500 World Junior Record is in major jeopardy Jakob Ingebrightsen has 2, yes TWO more seasons to get it, it is not a matter of if, it is a formality and a matter of when, a good guess would be the Oslo Dream Mile (His enroute time).

is that a joke? thats way to fast, and ronald was prob 5 years older than what he claims

Coevett wrote:

On the bright side, with improved testing and Kenya, Morocco's expulsion if they don't bring in much stricter testing, it's likely 3:31 will become the new 3:26.

i said this last spring, and of course vent/calculo had to call me an idiot over and over. thats when i started mocking him, and then got banned.

but yes i agree with this all the way 3:31 will become the leading time, and it will be a rare thing to hit 3:30 or faster. and monaco will still be the fastest place to run a 1500m. as i said as well that place is 2-3 seconds "fast" and was proven with wheatings PR. i also said centro will be a 3:35 guy at best now that he is off the sauce.

GBohannon wrote:

Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:

... he will peak at about 19, like Ryun etc.

Bold move to put an “etc” after citing only 1 example.

What others did you have in mind? Fernandez, Verzbicas, ??? Any European examples? (Please note that I am not being disagreeable; I am genuinely curious)

Daniel Komen, Mary Cain

Middledist wrote:

set a new Norwegian record at the half marathon

Key word is Father.

Middledist wrote:

douglas burke wrote:

Ronald Kwemoi's 3:28.81 for 1500 World Junior Record is in major jeopardy Jakob Ingebrightsen has 2, yes TWO more seasons to get it, it is not a matter of if, it is a formality and a matter of when, a good guess would be the Oslo Dream Mile (His enroute time).

is that a joke? thats way to fast, and ronald was prob 5 years older than what he claims

Yeah, a little sarcasm.

m!ndweak wrote:

Coevett wrote:

On the bright side, with improved testing and Kenya, Morocco's expulsion if they don't bring in much stricter testing, it's likely 3:31 will become the new 3:26.

i said this last spring, and of course vent/calculo had to call me an idiot over and over. thats when i started mocking him, and then got banned.

but yes i agree with this all the way 3:31 will become the leading time, and it will be a rare thing to hit 3:30 or faster. and monaco will still be the fastest place to run a 1500m. as i said as well that place is 2-3 seconds "fast" and was proven with wheatings PR. i also said centro will be a 3:35 guy at best now that he is off the sauce.

Well, you guys are almost right. I believe clean runners can hit 3:28, but that may be about it. I have zero doubt that in the Monaco 1500 the Ingebrigsten brothers were the first two drug free runners across the line. Zero doubt. Because the guys in front of them faced zero off season testing and now we KNOW that the testers in Kenya, on the rare occasions they see an athlete off season, are paid off .

I'll also add my yes vote to the crowd who feel officials will try to cover for Kiprop's deserved capture by letting the E. Africans get away with more drug use. We are absolutely seeing that now with the new record in the Women's steeple and the amazing return to world beater form by former age cheat Amos in the 800. As good as Jakob and his brothers may get they will likely be facing drug cheats who will suddenly be running 3:26 or better and 12:45 or better with a wink and nod from officials and a lot of LR regulars blindly believing it's all real. Just like they did when runners like smiling Geb and KB were shooting up and running 20 or even 30 seconds faster over the 5k can they could have without special supplements.

Beat this Nike wrote:

Middledist wrote:

set a new Norwegian record at the half marathon

Key word is Father.

Key word is "3:31". Suck it.

What about Hagos Gebrihiwet. U20 WR 12.47 from Paris in 2012 (just turned 18)? This is also his current PB.

The day before his 19th birthday (in 2013) he sets his current PB in the 3000m of 7:30.

Difficult to believe he was 18 at the time.

Well, you guys doubting Jakob 6 months ago, claiming he is soon just another burned out youngster - ready to eat your own words?

Several here twas alking about how his improvement on the 1500 had slowed down... now he did 3.31...!

And 13.20 in a spectacular fashion, with a 2.24 last 1000 meters.

Galen has broken 60 for the half.

I think no one is arguing that the kid is a great runner. But as someone already said his intensity of training is like a senior elite.

One thing Alberto Salazar did right as a coach was to not over race or train Galen Rupp at 16 and 17. No way he was running 100 mile weeks at that age.

If Jacob talent lies in longer distances this should be the approach of his coach.

"If Jakob talent lies in the longer distances"??? Hello? He just did 3.31 at 17! he is a world class middle runner already!

Will go under 3.29 before he turns 20 is a careful estimate

Banana Bread wrote:

I think he is literally on drugs anyway.

+1

There is no way this kid is clean. He is clearly doped to the gills.

Of course you believe that. No shred of evidence for that, but that doesnt matter.

I KNOW they are clean.

pish posh.

He's doing too much work that Ingebrigsten. Too much I tell you.