How to pull back leg faster

You are getting desperate.

Nobody said" purposely" anything. People run how it suits their body mechanics.

Also speculating on what Hall might say is dumb. He said God was coaching him.

Just admit that some touch down heel first and some forward of that and all the butthurt will flow right through you.

You have been schooled son, and anyone with an IQ over 80 reading this thread, realize it.

The following points are clear, as plainly laid out in this thread:

1. 'Elite' runners (running fast) in general, DO NOT heel strike.

2. Heel striking is to be avoided by those that wish to run like the elites.

3. One isolated still photo taken prior to foot plant is useless in interpreting foot strike mechanics.

Alberto Salazar was correct when coaching on these matters .

1. increase cadence; 2. strengthen hamstrings; 3. watch Bernard Lagat and Michael Johnson

triggered much? wrote:

You have been schooled son, and anyone with an IQ over 80 reading this thread, realize it.

The following points are clear, as plainly laid out in this thread:

1. 'Elite' runners (running fast) in general, DO NOT heel strike.

2. Heel striking is to be avoided by those that wish to run like the elites.

3. One isolated still photo taken prior to foot plant is useless in interpreting foot strike mechanics.

Alberto Salazar was correct when coaching on these matters .

Pics don't lie.

If the forefoot does not touch first then the person is not a forefoot striker. How hard is this?

Next you're going to try to say Pre was Black even though pics make him look white.

This whole thread has taken on a bit of a flat-Earther vibe.

Smoove wrote:

This whole thread has taken on a bit of a flat-Earther vibe.

I know . Fortunately still pictures show that the Earth is round.

Rupp shows us how it's done by easily blowing by that Kenyan who needs to do more Hall type drills.

https://thumb1.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/170857/622690673/stock-photo-boston-april-kenyan-geoffrey-kirui-of-kenya-beat-galen-rupp-of-usa-with-a-time-of-622690673.jpg

fromtheheart wrote:

1. increase cadence; 2. strengthen hamstrings; 3. watch Bernard Lagat and Michael Johnson

This is good advice.

Typically, when one is overextending, it results in heel-striking, though it is possible to overextend (resulting in less efficiency) even with a midfoot strike. Fatigue/strength/fitness of the runner factors into the degree of their need to overextend, or conversely, their minimization of it.

^^^another deluded still-photo interpreter.

toot toot wrote:

doobitty doobitty doo wrote:

So what is your point? Delusional? Kimetto, running even at the end of a fast marathon, at fast stride, is a fore-midfoot striker.

Nope. The point is that many elites heel strike. There is no one way to land.

Kimmetto is a heelstriker for most of the race and it's really no big deal.

You don't have to be braking(why do most of you clowns not know how to spell that?) or slamming your heels just because you're hitting there first.

That is a dramatization to try to make it seem like a horrible thing.

The facts are facts. If you put your heel down first you are braking. All leading coaches will tell you that. But it is more likely to happen when you are going slow or if you are over striding.

What you see world class distance runners doing is using a "mid-foot stride." But when they sprint it will be more of a ball-of-foot landing. A slower runner will have a hard time doing that.

If you want an example of heel first running and braking try having anyone run down an extremely steep hill. They will indeed be braking! In fact they may even need to break their stride and walk!

doot doot wrote:

waltertompatton wrote:

In general it is not a good idea to land heel first even when jogging as this is a breaking action.

Brace yourself for the insane shreiking of two dozen hobby joggin' heel strikers claiming foot strike doesn't matter.

+10 for predicting this!

I actually knew and DII All-American Steeplechaser who argued with a football coach in class. The football coach (Also a former track & field coach) said you should run on the balls of your feet. The All-American said you should run heel-to-toe! I was young and naïve in college when this happened and wanted to say that "you are both right but it depends on the speed you are running."

I know better now.

You will run more towards the heel if you run at a somewhat slow pace. Really the ideal for distance running is a mid-foot landing. But speed requires more of a forefoot landing. However I would think anyone who is running absolutely heel-to-toe all the time is asking for trouble. It might be that many, like my All-American friend do not realize how they land.

I agree that we all are different. Also research indicates that the way the foot lands is the ending result of a lot of other things we do with our body. People try hard to land a certain way by just adjusting how they land. We should be focusing on the hips, arm swing, and how our body is aligned.

The head should be centered. We should not be looking down when we run!

uhh-ohh wrote:

^^^another deluded still-photo interpreter.

So you're saying you see Kirui touching the front of his foot first and under his center of gravity?

Look me in the eye and tell me that with a straight face.

So doot doot, you are an elite?

It's not foot strike mechanics.

Body mechanics happen first and they lead to where the foot lands.

A few things.

Foot strike is a result of a persons velocity. Watch all the You-tube videos or read any article you like but 95% are very misguided. Some people run very quickly using a heel strike with little to no braking.

Braking occurs from over striding not from your foot strike.

Getting your leg back faster is also a result of velocity.

You can work on how high your foot goes up to shorten the angle of the lower leg when going forward. Increased flexibility and doing butt kick drills are two very good ways to practice this.

Pappy wrote:

A few things.

Foot strike is a result of a persons velocity. Watch all the You-tube videos or read any article you like but 95% are very misguided. Some people run very quickly using a heel strike with little to no braking.

Braking occurs from over striding not from your foot strike.

Getting your leg back faster is also a result of velocity.

You can work on how high your foot goes up to shorten the angle of the lower leg when going forward. Increased flexibility and doing butt kick drills are two very good ways to practice this.

It would certainly be possible to run fast using a heel strike. However you are not going to go long and fast that way for very long! That's the point of distance running isn't it?

I'm sure that Walter Payton could run fast on his heels to avoid a tackler, but he sure didn't do it for 40 yards very often unless he was celebrating a breakaway run against high school kids. Get real, are you actually saying that it doesn't matter?

Insanely shrieking elite forefoot striker wrote:

So doot doot, you are an elite?

Negative. But I sure glide along effortlessly across mid-/forefoot at all my training paces as if I were elite. Pretty effortlessly to be honest. Just practicing the fundamentals, you know. I spent a lot of time in my foundational running years learning correct form drills and implementing them and saw substantial gains very quickly. I get a lot of compliments from the local runners I interact with ??‍♂️

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And like clockwork the shreikers came to spew their bullshít. ?

Props to the people patient enough to deal with them. Is foot strike the end all be all to successful running? No. Is correcting one's form in a responsible and deliberate fashion going to yield benefits to the average runner? Duh.

it is, what it is wrote:

This stuff is basic running 101, and anyone that thinks elites purposely 'heel strike', as defined at ~0:48 in the following video, should best not be offering advice on such topics:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82ghOr78FcU

In the video, notice, Ryan'thetruth'Hall says "like you see a lot of people doing". He could just as easily replaced the word people with "hobby-joggers". But there is no way hall would say real elites, running fast, would fall into that category of doing what Hall is demonstrating at 0:50 into the video.

The video by Ryan Hall is great! But we should realize that even a large, heavy book cannot tell us all there is to know about any topic. Running form is not as simple as watching a 1 minute video!

Oh wait wrote:

Rupp shows us how it's done by easily blowing by that Kenyan who needs to do more Hall type drills.

https://thumb1.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/170857/622690673/stock-photo-boston-april-kenyan-geoffrey-kirui-of-kenya-beat-galen-rupp-of-usa-with-a-time-of-622690673.jpg

They also appear to be going down hill. Sometimes when anyone goes down a hill they might apply the brakes a little bit so they don't fall over. That's not the ideal way to run down hill but if the hill is a steep one it's very hard not to lean back a little bit. If you are tired you are also more likely to do this.

I do not think that you can take one photo and say this is how the guy runs all the time!