Didn't Steve Cram take himself out one season playing five a side football? Sure I remember people saying how silly he'd been to risk it.
Didn't Steve Cram take himself out one season playing five a side football? Sure I remember people saying how silly he'd been to risk it.
calculo wrote:
Nathan Bedford wrote:
Doctors call this a career-ending injury
absolutely
i can absolutely guarantee that when he returns he will never ever break 44 again
i reckon the best he will ever run again is ~ 44.5
the career is over...
Not necessarily. It depends on the type of graft, rehab, and adequate time allowed for healing, etc. He's not in a sport that requires cutting, rapid change of direction, jumping, etc. (e.g., skill positions in football, basketball, soccer). There's been many RBs, WRs, DBs, in the NFL who have come back from ACL reconstructions without losing any speed...no surprises there. Degenerative changes over time are a concern with ACL reconstruction.
http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/early/2017/02/22/bjsports-2016-096836Look under the hood wrote:
Apparently WVN is out for a while after sustaining a serious knee injury playing in a recreational rugby game.
"Apparently"...
Code words for the Coe cover-up of positive (+) tests ...
Now he'll comeback, never be the same WR speed again, and no one will "doubt" it because of the "injury"
Is he going to fake an MRI showing a torn ACL and having repair surgery? Not saying he isn't doping, but this seems a bit too serious to be a cover for a suspension. Tendinitis or mono, or something more common and less verifiable would be a better choice.
Seriously? That's like something a stupid high school gym class hero does. Pro runners shouldn't be playing celebrity rugby- it's a career ending injury waiting to happen.
A) It's MORON... B) When your livelihood is predicated on what you can do with your body, wisdom should tell you that many injuries occur when participating in activities other than the one for which you are paid. Therefore, choose wisely
MeHereYouWhere?! wrote:
Yeah, what a moran.
...Because he shouldn't have any fun in his life and do stuff other than run because he might *gasp* get hurt?!?!?!? :/ Newsflash, you can tear your ACL just getting out of bed (ask Broadway actor Andy Karl about this).
Dingler wrote:
Look under the hood wrote:
Apparently WVN is out for a while after sustaining a serious knee injury playing in a recreational rugby game.
"Apparently"...
Code words for the Coe cover-up of positive (+) tests ...
Now he'll comeback, never be the same WR speed again, and no one will "doubt" it because of the "injury"
Is he going to fake an MRI showing a torn ACL and having repair surgery? Not saying he isn't doping, but this seems a bit too serious to be a cover for a suspension. Tendinitis or mono, or something more common and less verifiable would be a better choice.
+1 ?
Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:
calculo wrote:
absolutely
i can absolutely guarantee that when he returns he will never ever break 44 again
i reckon the best he will ever run again is ~ 44.5
the career is over...
So still faster than Jim Ryun by +3s
nope
the '67 Ryun had 44-flat speed, so that is 0.5s slower on career comeback ultimate PB for wayde
Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:
Bad Wigins wrote:
What are the tackling rules for rugby? Though they don't wear pads or anything but thin leather helmets like early American football players, every time I watch, nobody ever gets leg tackled, runners generally either pass the ball or just plow forward until two guys gang up in front of them to slow and stop them.
I have seen no leg tackles, ever. That doesn't seem such a high risk for a knee injury. An experienced American RB would never be injured at rugby.
➡tackle rules for rugby have gotten utterly ridiculous. No tackles over shoulder height (which is good) but players are often bent over. You cannot pick up a player and dump them (spear tackle). You have to use your arms in the tackle and no swinging arm shots. Rugby Inc has seen what is going on in the NFL and they are terrified of a large lawsuit. Meanwhile Rugby League (played only in parts of Eastern Australia and Northern England) is way behind the 8 ball, dangerous concussions are still ignored. Russell Crowe etc might have to make big payouts later.
I played rugby in the 1990s in high school and those rules were already in place
ACL Reconstruction Nation wrote:
calculo wrote:
absolutely
i can absolutely guarantee that when he returns he will never ever break 44 again
i reckon the best he will ever run again is ~ 44.5
the career is over...
Not necessarily. It depends on the type of graft, rehab, and adequate time allowed for healing, etc. He's not in a sport that requires cutting, rapid change of direction, jumping, etc. (e.g., skill positions in football, basketball, soccer). There's been many RBs, WRs, DBs, in the NFL who have come back from ACL reconstructions without losing any speed...no surprises there. Degenerative changes over time are a concern with ACL reconstruction.
http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/early/2017/02/22/bjsports-2016-096836
nfl guys don't have same flying 40s after surgery albeit still quick
you are never as fast after surgery as pre-surgery
that is a law of orthopaedics, unwritten not to depress the elite athlete but known by all surgeons
top flight career is over at 400
he will never ever break 44 again, not even come close
best he will ever run is 44.5
his best option now is to bite the bullet & move upto 800 & hope for 1'43-flat out at best, seeing as he doesn't like long mileage, but this is a dead-end already as Korir went 43.34r which is indicative of 44-flat open & Korir as a Kenyan is born to run big mileage as needed
wayde's career is over...
calculo wrote:
ACL Reconstruction Nation wrote:
Not necessarily. It depends on the type of graft, rehab, and adequate time allowed for healing, etc. He's not in a sport that requires cutting, rapid change of direction, jumping, etc. (e.g., skill positions in football, basketball, soccer). There's been many RBs, WRs, DBs, in the NFL who have come back from ACL reconstructions without losing any speed...no surprises there. Degenerative changes over time are a concern with ACL reconstruction.
http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/early/2017/02/22/bjsports-2016-096836nfl guys don't have same flying 40s after surgery albeit still quick
you are never as fast after surgery as pre-surgery
that is a law of orthopaedics, unwritten not to depress the elite athlete but known by all surgeons
top flight career is over at 400
he will never ever break 44 again, not even come close
best he will ever run is 44.5
his best option now is to bite the bullet & move upto 800 & hope for 1'43-flat out at best, seeing as he doesn't like long mileage, but this is a dead-end already as Korir went 43.34r which is indicative of 44-flat open & Korir as a Kenyan is born to run big mileage as needed
wayde's career is over...
Shut up. You're annoying enough with all your calculation crap, and now please save us for your pretense of a medical doctor.
At this stage we're impossible to know if he can fully recover. Making any conclusion is plain stupidity.
Coaches News Network wrote:
A) It's MORON...
B) When your livelihood is predicated on what you can do with your body, wisdom should tell you that many injuries occur when participating in activities other than the one for which you are paid. Therefore, choose wisely
MeHereYouWhere?! wrote:
Yeah, what a moran.
...Because he shouldn't have any fun in his life and do stuff other than run because he might *gasp* get hurt?!?!?!? :/ Newsflash, you can tear your ACL just getting out of bed (ask Broadway actor Andy Karl about this).
no, it's moran. in these parts.
http://15130-presscdn-0-89.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/get-a-brain-morans.jpghe is an elite athlete that likely grew up playing games that require lateral movement and changes of speed. The problem isnt that he was playing...its probably the fact that he was being all Timmy tough nuts and going HAM on everyone. You can play this stuff but just dont go 1000%
Fast as a bullet, and dumb as a rock....
Marlow and Me wrote:
WCC wrote:
Apparently WVN is out for a while after sustaining a serious knee injury playing in a recreational rugby game.
Wish him all the best with his recovery! It is so sad to see such an amazing athlete sidelined.
http://www.sportsnet.ca/olympics/van-niekerk-months-injuring-knee-rugby-game/Not saying he deserves the injury, but why the hell is he playing rugby in the first place?
Probably because he earned more money showing up to this one match than in all his track wins combined.
Bolt is absolute nutters for football (soccer), but did you ever hear of him jumping into a game?
Bolt>>>Niekirk
Sledge_hammer wrote:Shut up
utterly clueless
You're annoying enough with all your calculation crap, and now please save us for your pretense of a medical doctor
err...
posters do have to have a day job or did that not enter your mind ?!
it isn't orthopaedics though, but plenty acquaintace of reports
At this stage we're impossible to know if he can fully recover
no
he's fuucked
Making any conclusion is plain stupidity
no
it's based on decades of experience of reading orthopaedic reports albeit not often elite sprinters
he will never ever run quicker than
44.5
He needs to hook up with Devon Allen's surgeon. He ran his PR after surgery.
After reviewing the photos of the game, he played on ARTIFICIAL TURF! Had he played on natural grass this wouldn't have been a problem. Artificial turf is made of rubber pallets, which come from rubber tires. It is a very hard surface, and does not act like grass. It catches the foot as a person cuts and turns, so as the knee turns, the foot does not move in harmony with the knee. So an unnatural movement takes place which affects the ligaments and tendons.
He would not have been injured on natural grass....and he should not have been playing a contact sport to begin with
I once did a DNS with a 5k race, because the last 100 yards took place on a football field! I do not do anything on artificial turf.
Jaden wrote:
...... If a hobby jogger can do it he should be able to do it. ...
WTF? That's not quite how things work.
And to the poster who said "leg tackles are illegal" (in rugby)?? Are you out of your mind?
french tickler wrote:
He needs to hook up with Devon Allen's surgeon. He ran his PR after surgery.
that was in '14 & no mention of reconstructive surgery
that mighta been minor meniscal or ligament tear at worst with some shaving & wash-out
minor enough to come back very very close to if uninjured & thus for an improving athlete 13.03 after was no shock
he suffered a reported ACL tear end of '16 & last year ran 13.10
that wasn't bad recovery but remember, he was improving, maturing guy so wouda expected to improve for a coupla years from 13.03pb, so coud be argued he "lost" 2 tenths in '17 from injury
that is ~ 0.75s over 400
however, wayde's is multiple car crash of an injury & he's a mature age at 25y, which makes 0.75s a fantasy recovery loss
double that & we're talking...
