Allright Letsrun - Who wins, Ryan Hall 2007 or Galen Rupp in 2017

Sorry kids, but you can't out kick someone who is 90 seconds in front of you.

benefit of the doubt wrote:

What the RD says wrote:

What's that voodoo you guys do to summon some interwebs genie to compare athletes?

Critical thinking.

To some people it is basically "voodoo" though, because they are not capable of it.

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Head-to-head record between Galen Rupp (left) and Ryan Hall (right):

Pac 10 Los Angeles CA 2005-05-15: 5000m: 13:57.43 (4) VS 13:37.45 (2)

West Eugene OR 2005-05-27: 5000m: 13:59.11 (5) VS 13:48.92 (2)

Stan Inv Stanford CA 2007-03-31: 10,000m: 28:35.04 (12) VS 28:07.93 (3)

NC Indianapolis IN 2007-06-21: 10,000m: 28:23.31 (2) VS 28:51.77 (7)

NYC New York NY 2011-03-20: Half Marathon: 60:30 (3) VS 63:53 (21)

Galen "DEVASTATED" Rupp total wins: 2

Ryan "MF" Hall total wins: 3

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Wow, this is a very one-sided matchup imo. For starters, Rupp is there to win in every race he enters and a "bad day" for Rupp is "only" finishing 2nd-5th in a stacked field. His kryptonite is guys who can both run sub-13 and kick like a miler. Heart and consistency are never an issue for Rupp. Hall would need to be having one of his best days to even be near Rupp by mile 20. And even then, he needs to pray that Rupp fades. Rupp wins 90% of the time, Hall maybe 10%.

Hall is awesome. But it is unfortunate that so many letsrunners continue to deny that Rupp is simply a marathon beast who is still in his prime. It is quite troubling tbh. It makes me wonder if these same posters think Wanjiru is old news since he never went under 2:05. And fwiw, Wanjiru >>>>>>>>>>> Rupp.

2:04 marathoner vs 2:09 marathoner.

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gdffdsdagsdf wrote:

Raysism wrote:

I agree with all this, but if Rupp was more consistent than Hall, it's not by much. At the end, Hall was a broken down used car, but he was remarkably consistent for a marathoner -- he had a much longer career than all but a handful of the top Africans:

Spring 2007: 2:08:24

Fall 2007: 2:09:02

Spring 2008: 2:06:17

Fall 2008: 2:12:33

Spring 2009: 2:09:40

Fall 2009: 2:10:36

Spring 2010: 2:08:40

Fall 2010: DNS

Spring 2011: 2:04:58

Fall 2011: 2:08:04

Spring 2012: 2:09:30

Just look at that list. If a non-Rupp American ran a 2:10:36 this year, we'd be really excited -- and that was Hall's 9th best marathon...

This seals it for me. I was also going to say that Hall was less consistent, but come on, look at that -- I must have been biased by his later years. Hall at his best wins for sure.

Your last comment (just above mine) is on point as well.

This should not seal it for you. We’re talking about Rupp who just ran 2:09:20 after running very controlled and within himself for 22 miles.

Hall mostly ran 2:08-2:09 in races going all out losing by several minutes. The only person who has been able to gap Rupp like that was Kipchoge.

If Rupp ran a time trial in great conditions and ran 2:08:05, everybody would be disappointed because of we would know that would be his 5th best marathon performance out of 5, yet the fastest time.

The only people who think Hall is better are people who were never competitive themselves. I typically see them mid pack types (at any level) focus on times only.

You know why? It’s all they have to focus on. And it’s eventually what most of us become.

For example, if I run a marathon next year, I can pick a course that’s suitable and say I want to run 2:45.

What place am I shooting for? Who cares..I’m not competitive with that part of the race. That’s how Hall was as a 2:08 guy. He ran for time only.

When it came to actually being competitive in like Olympics, he was trash.

smd wrote:

Rupp, 99 times out of 100. Rupp knows how to race for place. Hall knew only how to run for time. The chances that he'd have a great day and simply run away from Rupp are slim.

Rupp is the sort who would rather win in 2:09 than be 5th in 2:05. Hall would rather be 5th in 2:05 than win in 2:09. The Rupp type wins races far more often.

Or Rupp would rather face 2:09 competition than 2:05 competition.

If Rupp is in that 2:05 race with Hall, who wins?

Where are the next guy's with the mentality of a Ryan Hall? I don't see anyone coming up with his type of approach, maybe if Walmsley comes down to the marathon from the the ultras. Hall had a unique approach, sure there were a lot of blow ups, but when he was on...he was one of the few who could challenge the east Africans. Rupp probably has a few more good years...then who's next?

I think Rupp has the potential to be better than Hall -- a sub 2:06:30 in Chicago would have demonstrated that. But he ran 3 minutes slower.

A 2007 Hall beats a 2017 Rupp, but maybe not a 2018 Rupp.

If we are talking peak fitness, Hall wins.

BUT, if we are talking about each having full marathon specific training, then Rupp wins. Remember that Rupp was dual training for the Olympics and still transitioning for Boston. Chicago was his first real full cycle so I think Rupp wins if he had been marathon specific for two or three years.

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I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Galen will beat Hall's PRs at both marathon and half marathon and finish his career with ARs in 10k, half marathon, marathon.

It is no contest.

Aren't both of these men thyroid cheats? Who cares who the faster dope is?

My 2 cents. As a marathoner, Rupp is a racer who races for place, Hall was a time trialer who raced for times. Hall's times beat Rupp's in the marathon. So it appears Hall would better Rupp. BUT Hall ran the Oly's... what place did he take again? 17th? I can't remember because no one cares. Rupp took 3rd. Did Hall ever WIN a marathon? No. Rupp? Yes. I don't care about times when you look at the two careers. Rupp obviously races to win, Hall raced for time and mostly got hammered in his PR races, taking high places even with a great time.

Hall Vs. Rupp I take Rupp every time. Hall pr vs Rupp pr? Hall wins, but Hall wasn't a racer, Rupp is which is why I choose him hands down.

Also I'd take Rupp's career over Halls... Anyone but a moron would choose two Oly medals over none no matter what the other's pr is.