Joh's Jury wrote:
Rowbury needs to be part of this conversation.
No she doesn't. A gold, 2 silver and a bronze vs. 1 bronze is no contest.
And where was Rowbury today? Oh yeah, she didn't make 1500 the team after finishing way behind Jenny at the trials.
Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:
I love her, she is gorgeous.
No need to be mean.
Here is Jenny Simpson's Olympic Resume. Not too stellar, in my opinion, but I will consider her the best American FEMALE 1500m runner in history. She is nowhere near several men for GOAT -
2016 Rio Olympics, Bronze Medal - 4:10.53
2012 London Olympics, 12th in Semi Final - 4:06.89
2008 Beijing Olympics, 8th Final 3000m SC - 9:22.26
Sorry but the depth of competition for women is just to thin for any to qualify. Joanie, Jenny, Mary may indeed be the best but there is still least X10 the competition for men, so you cannot compare.
Didn't we go through something along this line of thinking already?
Very good female runner, but not best MorF ever in the US.
Definite yes to hat
beat a dead horse wrote:
No she doesn't. A gold, 2 silver and a bronze vs. 1 bronze is no contest.
And where was Rowbury today? Oh yeah, she didn't make 1500 the team after finishing way behind Jenny at the trials.
Rowbury holds the American record and was likely the rightful Olympic champion in 2012.
That race was a 4 minute 2 second insult to my intelligence. I don't care who won any of the medals. There are probably 30 women at least who can run that fast, this is just about how the cards were played in one particular instance, and I don't give a rip.
Until she sets a world record she is a nobody. Okay, okay, you like American athletes and cheer for them like some blue-blooded patriot as if they're related to you. Then she has to set an American record. How can the GOAT not have the record? Don't try to answer, just stop.
"Greatest ever"??? Do you mean GOAT?
Ahahahahahahahahaha wrote:
Joh's Jury wrote:Rowbury needs to be part of this conversation.
She can get in line behind Mary Slaney, Regina Jacobs, Suzy Favor-Hamilton
+1
27 seconds slower than Webb and Centro over 1500m
What a saucy little pooftah.
Bad Wigins wrote:
That race was a 4 minute 2 second insult to my intelligence. I don't care who won any of the medals. There are probably 30 women at least who can run that fast, this is just about how the cards were played in one particular instance, and I don't give a rip.
Until she sets a world record she is a nobody. Okay, okay, you like American athletes and cheer for them like some blue-blooded patriot as if they're related to you. Then she has to set an American record. How can the GOAT not have the record? Don't try to answer, just stop.
wtf3 wrote:
How has noone even mentioned Bernard Lagat? A slew of medals, standing national records, and even at his US peak he was very fast.
Because we do not take any pride in athletes that represented other countries and than became US citizens. We are talking about American born. I do not consider anything that Lagat, Khannouchi, Maree or any of the others didanything we should be proud of.
It's close between Centrowitz and Jenny IMO. They are both tactical racers with great kicks, lot of similarities. Neither of them have been consistently favored at their main distance in any global finals. But I think Jenny is far closer to that level. She has consistently been a top 5 women's 1500m runner, so she's relatively close even when Dibaba/Hassan/et al are doing their thing up front. Centrowitz is a genius tactician and no one is shocked when he gets like 8th in a fast race.
I give it to Jenny by a hair. Olympic gold is probably worth a little more than WC gold, but Jenny has been way more consistent than Matt.
Some interesting points:
1) This board diminishes the accomplishments of Farah for the very reason this thread is claiming Jenny is the best ever.
2) Lagat has two global 1500m medals while representing the US. He also has three global 5000m and three global 3000m (indoor) medals while representing the US. These include multiple outdoor golds. He also has a number of medals including Olympic silver when he represented Kenya. He also holds multiple records. Jenny could very well be the best American born 1500m ever but not the best American 1500m runner. Lagat takes that.
3) Why do a women's looks and sex appeal ALWAYS have to play into a discussion. You don't see people discussing whether Ben Blankenship is bone-able? Do you?
I remember watching Jenny Barringer get beat by a step by Katelyn Kaltenbach about 15 years ago at the Great American CC Festival in North Carolina. Nicole Blood a couple seconds back. Memorable race by those three. Of the three I thought Blood had the best chance of Olympic glory. Boy was I wrong.
Djdjdjxjsjsjdhdhd wrote:
1) This board diminishes the accomplishments of Farah for the very reason this thread is claiming Jenny is the best ever.
I don't really have a strong opinion on Jenny Simpson being the best 1500 American ever. I don't think your critique here is really true. Or at best it is a great simplification of the argument.
Mo and Jenny are both really, really good tacticians.
Mo uses his to win global championships and that is a great thing. He is clearly the dominate track distance runner of 2011-2017. When you compare him to the greatest of all time, I don't think it is diminishing his accomplishments to state that he is not a great time trialist. It is all in how you frame, phrase and evaluate the greatest of all time. One of the things that makes such arguments interesting (and makes them last so long) is that the criteria are subjective. If you want to (and some people do) argue that global championships are all that matters, then Mo clearly has a claim to stake. If you want to argue that time is all that matters, then Mo is clearly not in the running. For myself, I would claim that both of these are important. You have other contenders for Greatest of All Time who have run much faster times and have nearly as many global medals (or more, depending how you factor cross country) as Mo. If Mo was, for instance at 12:40 and 26:20, I think he would have an excellent case for GOAT even without any world records. As it is I think he is somewhere around 4th or 5th all time. Maybe you think that is diminishing him, but I do not believe that is accurate. It is certainly not diminishing him for being tactically great.
Jenny, on the other hand, is very, very close to the fastest Americans of all time. She also has a good haul of global medals. There is not another contender who is much faster than she is and has a similar or slightly less haul of medals. She is faster at 1500 then every US woman other than Shannon Rowbury and she is less than one second behind Rowbury.
Asu guy wrote:
Gunny wrote:Jenny is simply amazing. Centro is not even in the discussion. Ever hear of Ryun, Scott, Webb, Liquori?
Centro is the discussion, until one of the these people wins Olympic gold!
Ryan kinda got jobbed that the Olympics were in Mexico City.
Simpson has one global championship and she didn't win today. If she is so great why doesn't she win more ???? Exactly
Like Billy Mills?
Mary Decker has 2 global golds, shoulda had an Oly gold no thanks to Zola, and a slew of world records. Also much better range than JB, from 800m to 10k. It was not unusual for Decker to race multiple events at one meet, whereas JB is a strict specialist
If a prime MD and a prime JB lined up for a race, no question I would pick MD.
violasong wrote:
Asu guy wrote:Centro is the discussion, until one of the these people wins Olympic gold!
Ryan kinda got jobbed that the Olympics were in Mexico City.
Simpson has one global championship and she didn't win today. If she is so great why doesn't she win more ???? Exactly
Like Billy Mills?
Can we at least agree that all these people are way "greater" than 0 medals Alan Webb?