Is a sub-60 10-miler that hard?

asldhfash wrote:

For one of your workouts go do a 6 mile tempo at 6 minute pace on a flat course. If you can finish that workout feeling pretty fresh still you can probably run sub 60. If you are at any point laboring in the slightest you have no chance of holding that same pace for another 4 miles.

Horsedung. I could barely run 5 miles in 30 minutes in training and then did a 1:18 half

It's called race game. Get some..

Go to track and do it or don't. Easy to find out.

It will take about 1 hour to find out.

If you can't ... train and do it... if you can... retire! Your a bad ass.

Virbrama ha bro wrote:

Go to track and do it or don't. Easy to find out.

It will take about 1 hour to find out.

If you can't ... train and do it... if you can... retire! Your a bad ass.

Correct. Woulda-coulda-shoulda doesn't impress and OP needs to put up or shut up.

Virbrama ha bro wrote:

Go to track and do it or don't. Easy to find out.

It will take about 1 hour to find out.

If you can't ... train and do it... if you can... retire! Your a bad ass.

My a bad ass is what?

probably not wrote:

I would say that if you can't drop a sub 36 min 10k then there's no way you'll hit a sub 60 10 miler.

I totally agree agree with that statement. Some people who can run under 36 for 10K will fail to run sub-60 for 10 miles, but anyone who can't hit that for 10K has no hope of breaking an hour.

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My PR for 10K is 36:25

My PR for 10 miles is 59:28

You're wrong. Sorry.

PS: I've run more than 100- 10K's & only 4- 10 milers. I've been running for 40+ years. The 10 miler was a certified championship race in Stockton. So don't argue that it was a short course.

old guy 71 wrote:

probably not wrote:

I would say that if you can't drop a sub 36 min 10k then there's no way you'll hit a sub 60 10 miler.

I totally agree agree with that statement. Some people who can run under 36 for 10K will fail to run sub-60 for 10 miles, but anyone who can't hit that for 10K has no hope of breaking an hour.

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My PR for 10K is 36:25

My PR for 10 miles is 59:28

You're wrong. Sorry.

PS: I've run more than 100- 10K's & only 4- 10 milers. I've been running for 40+ years. The 10 miler was a certified championship race in Stockton. So don't argue that it was a short course.

Those two races are exactly the same pace. At the time you ran 59:29 you had the capability to run faster than 36:25 whether you actually did it or not. Or do you think you can run a 10 miler at your 10K race pace?

probably not wrote:

Virbrama ha bro wrote:

Go to track and do it or don't. Easy to find out.

It will take about 1 hour to find out.

If you can't ... train and do it... if you can... retire! Your a bad ass.

Correct. Woulda-coulda-shoulda doesn't impress and OP needs to put up or shut up.

Well official xc practice starts tomorrow and I don't think my coach would be too pleased with me if I did something like that. I know that would make a more entertaining thread. Also: 40+ laps around the track? I think I would die of boredom.

Is a sub-60 10-miler that hard?

No, no it's not. I ran 12 miles this morning, last 10 turned out to be 59:24.

Any serious collegiate male will be able to run sub-60 on any given day if they had to.

Hitting 60-70 miles per week is an easier route to feeling comfortable at 6 flat pace than trying to workout frequently/hard enough to get the pace.

Use it as a confidence booster. Hit sub-60 and never doubt your ability to do it again, each subsequent time is much easier

Tabitha Wheelwright wrote:

Any serious collegiate male will be able to run sub-60 on any given day if they had to.

I'm not a junior in high school yet, but I don't think I'll be fast enough to run seriously in college.

My guess is that the course will be short!

More complete answer than the one I gave last night.

I used to do an early season one hour run for distance (on the track) as a fundraiser. Every once in a while, some kids would get really serious and try to get to 10 miles. It never happened. Their summer training looked pretty similar to the training you described. These were kids that had about your PRs also.

Have I had kids that could go sub 1 hour for 10 miles, sure. But for one reason or another, we never ended up doing that fundraiser when those kids are around.

Another example, there is a 5 mile 4th of july race some of my athletes have gone and run as part of their summer base training. Nobody has ever broken 30 min on that (mostly because it's still really early in the summer and only a fairly small sample of my kids have done that race. But, kids of mine that have gone well under 17 on our league finals course in October (actually a little bit longer than 5k but pretty flat) have failed to run sub 30 for 5 miles in July.

So, maybe you could run under 60 min for 10 miles if you go out and throw down some fast 12-14 milers in training or hit some 5-6 mile tempo runs.

Maybe you could do it anyway, but in my experience, unless you have a naturally very high anaerobic threshold and very good natural endurance, your training won't allow you to break 1 hour.

CoachB wrote:

, unless you have a naturally very high anaerobic threshold and very good natural endurance, your training won't allow you to break 1 hour.

I hope you don't actually coach.

My guess is that you'll be right near 60 but won't break it.

63:30 is my prediction.

The increase in milage is smart and should help you.

60 minutes for 10 miles isn't easy.

I ran 60:56 in a road race when I was 16.

This was at about 2200 feet of altitude and the course had a number of hills.

It was the spring of my grade 11 (junior) year.

I actually became a bit sick after that race. It took a lot out of me and I lacked in energy for the rest of the spring track season.

If you're going to go flat out, be careful.

Don't rush into training after your race.

Listen to your body.

Take a few days off afterwards.

Even a week. Your body may need it.

Running 10 miles flat out takes a lot out of your body if you aren't used to it.

I had a 2:07 indoor 800 PR that year and 4:52 indoor 1600m PR.

I also ran a 4:24 1500 that year outdoors though never improved on my 800.

My 800/1600 times were nearly identical to yours.

I was running about 20-30 miles a week then.

My training was similar to yours.

I don't think I'd run 10 miles before in my life up until that point.

My body just wasn't used to the stress of running 10 miles hard.

3 years later, I ran 57:58 on the same course.

I also ran an 8km road race in 26:21 that year.

Good luck. Perhaps you'll prove me wrong and if you do, congrats.

You're young and should expect to improve a lot over the next few years.

probably not wrote:

I would say that if you can't drop a sub 36 min 10k then there's no way you'll hit a sub 60 10 miler.

I totally agree agree with that statement. Some people who can run under 36 for 10K will fail to run sub-60 for 10 miles, but anyone who can't hit that for 10K has no hope of breaking an hour.

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old guy 71 wrote:

My PR for 10K is 36:25

My PR for 10 miles is 59:28

You're wrong. Sorry.

PS: I've run more than 100- 10K's & only 4- 10 milers. I've been running for 40+ years. The 10 miler was a certified championship race in Stockton. So don't argue that it was a short course.

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probably not wrote:

Those two races are exactly the same pace. At the time you ran 59:29 you had the capability to run faster than 36:25 whether you actually did it or not. Or do you think you can run a 10 miler at your 10K race pace?

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Sorry, you're wrong again. 36:25 & 59:28 are NOT the 'exactly' the same pace. 36:25 is 5:52 pace. 59:28 is 5:57 pace.

Only 5 seconds maybe, but 5 seconds over a mile is huge for me.

Both courses were flat, fast & certified.

The 10K was the '83 Pacific Sun 10K. The Pacific Association 10K championship. The 10 Miler was the '83 Cal Ten. The Pacific Association 10 Mile championship.

I know my 10 mile time is slightly superior to my 10K time, but the OP's potential is 'a lot better' than mine.

My half marathon best was a 6:05 pace. So the differences are 5 seconds between my 10K & 10 miler and 8 seconds between the 10 miler & the half marathon.

It seems I have better endurance than speed.

Sorry to be argumentative, but when someone speaks in absolutes...'anyone who can't run under 36 for 10K has no hope of breaking an hour for 10 miles,' and I KNOW that I did, I have to speak up.

If you can't just go to track and mentally and physically do it... you probably shouldn't run xc...if you can't attempt it then why even ask?

.... we are talking about 6 Minute miles.... which is hard but doable if you are fit and lean.

you will recover in 3-4 days... if 6 minute pace isn't doable you probably need to skip the season and train anyway.

If you can't focus for 40 laps of 6 minute pace you lack desire and dicipline.

It's 1 hour. Your original post is worthless unless you at lest attempt it.

I'm ok if you fail or succeed but why not try?

Virbrama ha bro wrote:

If you can't just go to track and mentally and physically do it... you probably shouldn't run xc...if you can't attempt it then why even ask?

.... we are talking about 6 Minute miles.... which is hard but doable if you are fit and lean.

you will recover in 3-4 days... if 6 minute pace isn't doable you probably need to skip the season and train anyway.

If you can't focus for 40 laps of 6 minute pace you lack desire and dicipline.

It's 1 hour. Your original post is worthless unless you at lest attempt it.

I'm ok if you fail or succeed but why not try?

I asked the question because of the debate I was having with my dad- it was supposed to be a pure hypothetical (although now I kind of think I will try the 10 miler this spring). It's not worthless, it's a question to consider- a question that interests me and evidently others.

It takes discipline and focus to adhere to the training plan that will best prepare you for the season.

Even if I was super slow, I would still do xc because I take great pleasure in running.

Sub 60 isn't easy and yes you will struggle. Lack of volume will be your downfall. You might be ok till about 7 miles but after that I see 6:20's looming. I could be wrong.....my best is 49:04 so I have an idea..

On one hand, your 800/1600 times are roughly equivalent. This indicates that you have good endurance and, since 4:45 is WAY better than 60, you should have no problem breaking an hour.

On the other hand, you're 16 and haven't run particularly high mileage. So you're going to find it very difficult to extend your abilities to 10 miles.

On the third hand, you're a troll, so all of this is, as your name suggests, hypothetical. But good job.