Korir must be dodgy!!!

Credit Limit wrote:

i agree with spencer wrote:

number one problem is you actually read all of vent/calculos moronic drivel.

rule number one: do not ever read vent/calculo's entire reply, it will only make you dumber.

i can sum up what he says and you can read my interpretation, it wont waste nearly as much time and you will see just how dumb it really is....here goes

Is this a joke? drivel snurff barf fart gargle moron

intrinsic, basic ~ 5m wide!!!! barf sh*t slurp drivel

jim ryun jizz in my pants slurp slurp drivel basic ~ 3'24!!!

suicide first ~ 4.8m!!!! is this joke? drivel fart gasp puke moron drivel

basic gargle slurp ~ 1'42+!!!

do you not know anything? drivel basic intrinsic moron f*ck me im annoying

Very funny and spot on!

+1😂

i agree with spencer wrote:

thanks lol

personally whenever he posts i think to myself "this is how he prob talks in real life"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtdCIs6JdXg

cant really find a better clip, but hopefully it works...pretty much i see vent/calculo talking like an annoying drunk who has broken speech patterns and slobbers and slurps

vent you suck haha

Yes he does. A funny clip, but that mad doctor is far too mild and likeable than the one on these boards. I see Venty more like a drunken Dr Evil on speed. He's about as accurate with statistics and numbers as Dr Evil is too.

i suggest you acquaint yourself with just HS geometry to start with

i never said anywhere he ran in lane 2 or for that matter 3, 4 or 5 !

i said he ran ~ 2.75m extra

that came from ~ 1.25m extra on 1st bend & ~ 1.5m on 3rd bend

here is HS geometry to help you in future :

the 800m line is 0.3m out from lane 1 which is 1.22m in width

for the perfect run, you endeavour to run tight in lane 1 which happens to be 0.3m from kerb

imagine a guy who clocks 1'43.00 who runs last 3 bends wide in lane 1, say 3/4 of width of lane but never wider so never entering lane 2

his extra distance for each bend is

( ( 1.22 * (3/4) ) - 0.3 ) * pi = 1.93m

for 3 bends = 1.93 * 3 = 5.80m

in this case, the guy has added on 5.80m to his 800 without ever running in lane 2

his route-1 time he can claim to is

1'43.00 * ( 800/805.8 ) =

1'42.25 !!!

now realise you never have to enter lane 2 to run seriously extra distance

i have already posted on this

she ran ~ 1.0m extra on one bend & ~ 4.5m !!! on last bend for total of 5.5m extra

her route 1 time was

~ 1'55.61 * ( 800/805.5 ) =

1'54.82 !!!

there are other adjustments as she went out too slow on 1st lap

that further adjusment for ideal 2s +ve splits gets her ideal race tight in lane-1 down to

~ 1'54.3 !!!

Stick to surfing in subways because you know next to nothing about weight training. People who train properly with weights don't have that problem. Yes, that problem can happen to people who don't know what they are doing, that is, people like you.

disgraceful_admin wrote:

800ftw. wrote:

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If he ran a 45s 400m he passes through 390m after 43.9s of running.

You haven't worked out anything to do with aerobic ability or what not.

43.9/45 x 400 = 390.22

Calculo is saying if you get the athlete stronger they can move faster and complete 400m in 43.9s without any added fitness (nonsense but whatever).

You are saying that the athlete with his new found strength will only be able to run for 390m at his previous 400m race pace? Why? You think the athlete will get SLOWER with more power?

Quite feasible.

More power = more energy demands.

More energy demands = more lactate production, since we assume constant aerobic/anaerobic ability.

More lactate production = more tying up near end of race, and sooner.

More tying up = slower times.

This is why you don't see Usain Bolt running sub-4:20 despite what many here believe

Lol wut???

It's more like 1m on 2nd bend and 1.25m on last, but heh, what's 50cm between friends!

Anyway, I do notice that when he is on the inside, Korir runs about as close to the curb as anyone I've seen. He also practically runs on the line between his and the lane inside on the staggered start, which he wants to be careful of to avoid future DQs. He probably gains back about a metre with the start, and then he is drafted from 240 to beyond 500m, where he then drifts wide of the pacer. So those two things cancel out the extra 2.5m he runs wide on bends. All in all it was a genuine 1:43 flat performance, and I believe puts him as favourite to win in London.

Seriously, Fermin Cacho? No one thinks that Cacho was clean. Plenty suspect Schippers and Muir as well. But you have the right idea. Many here simply think that the best Western European or European-American times must be the best legal times.

If Canova thinks that weight training would help, it would cost very little for someone to open a gym or two in Iten or one of the major training camps or the area and charge a small amount of money, get Nike or Adidas or some of the Euro agents getting fat off of doping Kenyans to sponsor it, or just pay up for a set or two of free weights or even an old Universal set. Some people bulk up quickly from weights. When you're running 50+ miles per week, that is unlikely to happen. Korir's not doing close to that, I would imagine. But I have seen and others can back me up that you can get functionally stronger by weight-lifting every other day without gaining any weight--you may change your body composition somewhat. The rugby guys at my college had no problem bulking up very quickly. Some of them were almost as skinny as me when we started out but whether just weights or also steroids did it, they gained forty, fifty, sixty, or more lbs mostly of muscle within two or three years.

Kenyans do get tons of race specific strength work with hills and hill sprints but there's little doubt that they'd be even that much better in the kick and have more top end speed with weight work.

no

learn to observe properly

it's 1.25m

no

learn to observe properly

it's 1.5m

it's

2.75m extra

it's nonsense

it's 2.75m

he is a 400'er

so ?

never crosses line

eh ???

when was last time any guy got dq'ed for stepping on line on inner lane ?

certainly wasn't '76 when caballo & ovett forced to run 300 in lanes

no nonsense instepping there

utter drivel !!!

do you have any clue about centre of mass ???

do you have any clue about physics or math ???

to run 30cm in on 1st lane with inbutting 10cm kerb or 20cm in lane-2 requires foot to be tight to kerb thruout lane-1, with concomitant centre of mass to be half of lateral width which is at very, very least 30cm in standing posture

your assertion that Korir or anyone coud gain 0.01nm let alone 1m by some kerb/lane-following is utter drivel

you think 100+y of geometry to design a 400m track so complex that even i can't solve the 5 simultaneous trigonometric equations to determine the distance from mile start in outer lane-8 to start line in inner lane-1 woud allow someone to run 1m shorter in a 800 ???

utter f****cking drivel

is this a joke ???

Korir is never directly behind until 35.0 on clock which is ~ 280m in

the guy ahead is wide of Korir by 450m

it is 450 - 280 = 170m

as per your usual nonsense, Korir is owed 30m of drafting or trivial 0.05s

no

he drifts wide by 450m

is this a joke ???

utter nonsense analysis

no canceling of anything

learn math

only summative tells us outcome

2.75m extra on bends & owed 30m of drafting or 0,05s ->

1'42.69

i also have not offered anything for the fact this lengendary 400 guy split 50.0 from vid but struggled on next 300 before big kick

those were NOT 2s +ve splits

he is very, very tired right now

1st season at 800

no

analyse better

2.75m

is this a joke ???

it was a genuine

~ 1'42-mid/high

completely depends on his energy

if he recovers his 43.34 relay speed or 44-flat open equivalent, he will destroy the field in any slow 800 as he woud in any slow 800 going back to '68 & start of major synthetic track era

Korir woud destroy any 800 runner of synthetic track era in last 100 or 200 of a semi-fast or even fastish 800

he is biggest kicker in tactical 800s ever in synthetic track era which is something hugely special

Deanouk wrote:

It's more like 1m on 2nd bend and 1.25m on last, but heh, what's 50cm between friends!

Anyway, I do notice that when he is on the inside, Korir runs about as close to the curb as anyone I've seen. He also practically runs on the line between his and the lane inside on the staggered start, which he wants to be careful of to avoid future DQs. He probably gains back about a metre with the start, and then he is drafted from 240 to beyond 500m, where he then drifts wide of the pacer. So those two things cancel out the extra 2.5m he runs wide on bends. All in all it was a genuine 1:43 flat performance, and I believe puts him as favourite to win in London.

This is correct. If anything Korir should be credited/applauded for running the most efficient route as is possible. It is good from a coaching perspective to highlight where an athlete is running extra distance (or inefficiently) but what calculo misses is that 800m is not an exact science. There will always be what ifs in an 800m race.

This is Calculo's most intelligent post ever on LRC and shows he actually knows something about running.

Lol.

Quickest finish over last 100m of anyone since 1968!? Really? Faster than Juantorena or Everett, who had almost identical 400 ability?

And why stop at 68? Hmm! I wonder why?

Why not claim he has the fastest finish of anyone as far back as 1965? Oh, hang on that means he would beat Ryun in 66/67.

Which of course he would, being as Ryun was only a 46 high/ 47 flat 400m runner.

His fastest ever recorded 440, despite running dozens in his career, was a 46.9 hand time in a relay.

46.9 for 440 = 46.6 for 400m;

46.6 for relay = (+0.7) 47.3 for open;

47.3 ht = 47.5 FAT.

Then 1.5% conversion (which is far too generous anyway) from dirt to synthetic = 46.8.

So Ryun was capable of a 46.8 open 400 in best 800 shape, which makes him slower than many elite 2 lap specialists who you claim Korir would beat. Thus Korir would easily beat Ryun over 800m too!

Korir wouldn't have beaten a peak Rudisha, Kipketer or Coe in any 800m faster than 1:47. And I suspect there would be several others too that could beat him with a finishing kick, all other variables being equal.

Let's see him post a few 24 last 200s in a 1:42/1:43 race as the others have, and then I might reconsider.

There was a time when guys like McBride, who has a PB of 45.89, were considered to be fast at 400m for an 800m guy.

Now that we have guys like Korir, Amos and even Saruni... McBride now looks slow at 400m for an 800m guy.

igf-1 lr3 ........... very simple .

that speed is coming from the speed peptide like so many others , not weights

He's young and Kenyan. We haven't seen anywhere near the true potential of Kenyan runners. There are many more great runners yet to emerge from Kenya.

aduck2022 wrote:

igf-1 lr3 ........... very simple .

that speed is coming from the speed peptide like so many others , not weights

Good to see you back, but I will venture a suggestion. That is the modern 800m runner can hide in the wilderness for many years focusing on 400m (to 600m) speed then add in some EPO and boom they are 800m medal contenders.

Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:This is correct

is this a joke ???

he ran 2.75m extra in his 1'43.10

If anything Korir should be credited/applauded for running the most efficient route as is possible. It is good from a coaching perspective to highlight where an athlete is running extra distance (or inefficiently) but what calculo misses is that 800m is not an exact science. There will always be what ifs in an 800m race

eh ???

this is why estimates are always for route-1 for all runs as Big-Man in his 1'40.91 despite suicidal 23.4 opener & prelims including a 1'44+ fatiguing his legs, did still run an exact enough 800m in final

synthetic track era

he woudn't

Korir is in ncaa season was in

~ 44.0 / 1'42.0

Ryun in '67 was in

~ 44.0 / 1'38.9

it means no matter how slow the 800, Ryun woud always have huger kicj, even v Korir's monstrous 44.0 speed

utter joke !!!

brief clip of vid posted enough even for your non-analytical brain to comprehend

at just 18y on total sludge on cold day with an incredible 3'55.8 in his legs on that sludge, he split 46.9y off 20 yard gap with helluva lot of wide running !!!

fully rested on '70s track at 80F that was at 18y

~ 44-low

you think he was not hugely better at all distances at his peak of 20y ???

that means 44-flat at worst

is this a joke ???

how many times has brief vid been posted & circumstances been posted & you still post utter inept ???

how many times have you read it was at 18y on sludge unfit for LJ that conveyor belt was brought in for runway !!!???

is this a joke ???

he was pup at 18y not 20y

he had just run a 3'55 on that sludge !!!

not rested at all but likely wrecked !!!

that sludge was so bad it coudn't hold the LJ without conveyor belt brought in for runway !!!

it was damn cold for sprinting with newspaper saying 50sF

how on earth for the 100th time does your neurone think this was 1.5% conversion to '70s zurich, at 80F, fully rested for an 18y ole ???

is this a joke ???

for 100th time, you have been told of above & seen brief vid numerous & still you try this utterly absurd lie of begging people to believe it was utter pristine dirt, fresh from factory, all at 80F a no 3'55 in his legs earlier in day ???

at 18y, he had in 50sF, a '70s track 3'47+ off jog to 700 & solo last 800

that already wouda annihiliated walker in '75 off 3'49.4 fame & Ryun was 18y !!!

he followed that up later in day with incredible relay run !!!

is this a joke ???

you know no logic

Korir is fastest ever finisher in slowis 800 because of 43.34R, worth 44-flat open with likely 1'42-flat

it woud however allow him him to outkick Ryun as he had likely same speed at 20y because he wouda been hugely less fatigued in any slow race, as his 800 was likely then

~ 1'38.9

no

is this a joke ???

learn to read/think !!!

we are talking tactical 800s

he either has to keep current intrinsic 1'42-flat & push that 400 down to 43-flat/low or go the other route & keep 44-flat & push the 800 down into 1'38-mid/high

learn logic

utter nonsense

he wouda obliterated coe

coe never showed any ability to ever run 1'40/1'41

off

23+ &/or 48-low

coe never in his life split a 23+

coe never ever in his life split a 48+

the fastest coe ever split worth talking about was 49-low in '78 euros & it killed him !!!

he had d to rubbish 1'44.7 !!!

utter rubbish !

coe was never in same universe a kicker as Big-Man or Kip in same slow race

no

he is biggst kicker in synthetic track history, but not recovered from brutal ncaa season

did you not comprehend that he broke the ~ 20y ole 600 wr in january !!!???

is this a joke ???

only Kip/Big-Man have done that

Alf Kipketer has fastest last 100 in a 1'42

coe certainly never in his life finished a 1'42/1'43 with 24+ !!!

he had nonsense 45-high speed

it is rubbish

Just another African doper. Nothing to see here, if you even suggest something might be amiss you will be called a racist.

More exaggerated twaddle.

No one else but you and your various alter egos would even consider for a moment that Ryan was ever capable of anything remotely approaching 44.0 for 400m. He ran many relay legs and fastest he got was 46.9.

Video footage was at wrong speed and edited to show about 12 secs of his entire leg.

- Video footage can't be used to prove the 46.9 ht was accurate;

- footage shows track was not sludge as you claim.

- footage does not show Ryun running all of both bends wide. Your supposition he did run wide is just that.

Ryun had plenty of other opportunities to show 44 speed for 400m, but came nowhere near. Suggesting he could is unbelievably idiotic.

Coe ran at least 10m wide when winning European 800 in 86 in 1:44.5, which in itself is worth 1:43.2 for the distance if run in lane 1. They were also negative splits- 52.8/51.7, so again not ideal and probably worth shaving a couple of tenths off. It was also a championship race after rounds and it was cold, wet and windy.

His last 200m was 24.8, and he ran about 2.5m wide on last bend, so that makes it worth 24.5 at least, if run close to rails.

There is your 1:43 with a 24 + last 200m. More like a 1:42 high if negative splits and weather also taken into consideration.

Kipketer's 1:42.77 in Monaco had a 24.6 last 200m, but he was close to curb throughought race and was drafted for more than 200m.