Paris Climate Accord Goes Home DEVASTATED!!!!!!!

Citizen Runner wrote:

This used to be true, but China's emission standards are currently pretty much in line with European standards. This was largely driven by the severity of their air pollution issues, particularly in the large cities.

Based on what? From what I've seen, only certain cities in China have adopted the European standards. Are these cities in the majority or minority of typical Chinese standards?

Citizen Runner wrote:

Surprise! wrote:

Not a fan of this, but China has the most lax emission standards around.

This used to be true, but China's emission standards are currently pretty much in line with European standards. This was largely driven by the severity of their air pollution issues, particularly in the large cities.

Likewise, China moves quickly once they make a decision. They fully modernized in a generation. And when they had all the pollution problems in recent years they decided to shift to cleaner energy. They'll be back below he US in carbon emissions within the next few years, despite having 3X the population.

Pittsburgh citizen wrote:

Donald J. Trump (President, USA):

or our country will be at grave risk of brown-outs and black-outs.”

RACIST!

Desmond the DJ wrote:

They'll be back below he US in carbon emissions within the next few years, despite having 3X the population.

Yeah right. And the world will cook in 10 years.

Libbtwats, try to comprehend this, when you make a prediction and it doesn't hold true, it has CONSEQUENCES. Today you faced one of these. When the doomsday scenarios you make pretty much every day never materialize it will have consequences in the future (i.e. 2020, 2024, 2028, and further).

You're a bunch of losers. Deal with it and change. Or face the consequences.

afterearth wrote:

XY wrote:

China IS racing past us with environmental protections. They just showed up late to the game.

Right sure. Just like Ritz was racing past Bekele when Ritz ran sub 13.

This is true. No use in explaining the whole thing, but it's true.

serious issue wrote:

The U.S. now joins Syria and Nicaragua in not taking part in the global agreement, which includes 195 countries.

Nicaragua is on track to 90% renewable sources for electricity by 2020. They stayed out of the Paris Accord in protest because they felt it did not go far enough.

Syria is kind of distracted by the whole civil war thing at the moment.

XY wrote:

afterearth wrote:

Right sure. Just like Ritz was racing past Bekele when Ritz ran sub 13.

This is true. No use in explaining the whole thing, but it's true.

You can't explain it because it is not true. China is catching up to us or is at least catching up to the Euro standard (which is lower than the US standard), but that does not mean they are going to catch us or pass us. Just like my Ritz and Bekele analogy.

Probably some more countries will now drop out once they realize that their subsidies won't be as high as if the USA had been paying up.

predictions have consequences wrote:

Desmond the DJ wrote:

They'll be back below he US in carbon emissions within the next few years, despite having 3X the population.

Yeah right. And the world will cook in 10 years.

Libbtwats, try to comprehend this, when you make a prediction and it doesn't hold true, it has CONSEQUENCES. Today you faced one of these. When the doomsday scenarios you make pretty much every day never materialize it will have consequences in the future (i.e. 2020, 2024, 2028, and further).

You're a bunch of losers. Deal with it and change. Or face the consequences.

Let's see where we are in 10 years. I'll provide a 5 year update. Deal?

afterearth wrote:

XY wrote:

This is true. No use in explaining the whole thing, but it's true.

You can't explain it because it is not true. China is catching up to us or is at least catching up to the Euro standard (which is lower than the US standard), but that does not mean they are going to catch us or pass us. Just like my Ritz and Bekele analogy.

Well why don't you take the time to explain why you think they wont "pass" us on environmental protections.

You do recognize that they already produce less total green house gas emissions per capita than we do? You also realize that because the way their government works they can implement wide sweeping changes much more easily than we do. Take a look at their ambitious plans that go right up to 2050. Their culture is much more all for one.

Trump has bailed out of the Paris Accord and his base is cheering him. What does it REALLY mean for them? More $, jobs?, maybe just an angry FU for the sake of being contradictory or basking in anti-intellectualism. It's a move backwards

Trumpers now celebrate the US removing itself from the table at every turn. The Paris agreement will go on without the USA, but we will no longer have a say. Just like pulling out of TPP -- leaving China as the dominant power free to negotiate with others with no US involvement (better deals for them). The USA has ceded leadership all over the world with Trump at the helm, it's a sad day.

Congrats, 'merica, for joining war-torn Syria, and Nicaragua, in the club of countries that have not adopted the Paris Agreement. You should be ashamed of voting for this horrorclown.

Make no mistake, while in the short run the withdrawal could be beneficial for certain Americans, as long as the rest of the world cooperates the US will pay a big prize for this. I predict trade sanctions at some point, unless the US changes direction.

This country is morally bankrupt, too many bad hombres.

Phife wrote:

You do recognize that they already produce less total green house gas emissions per capita than we do?

You do recognize China has always used less greenhouse gasses per capita than we do? Just like every other poor country. As their economy grows, their CO2 usage has gone WAY up... much faster than the US.

And I guarantee it contributes to go up.

“This agreement is less about the climate and more about other countries gaining financial advantages over the US,”

Phife wrote:

Well why don't you take the time to explain why you think they wont "pass" us on environmental protections.

You do recognize that they already produce less total green house gas emissions per capita than we do? You also realize that because the way their government works they can implement wide sweeping changes much more easily than we do. Take a look at their ambitious plans that go right up to 2050. Their culture is much more all for one.

Trump has bailed out of the Paris Accord and his base is cheering him. What does it REALLY mean for them? More $, jobs?, maybe just an angry FU for the sake of being contradictory or basking in anti-intellectualism. It's a move backwards

You should reread my post. Your reading comprehension is poor. I never said I thought China would or would not pass us.

Some of your second paragraph about China is interesting and accurate, but still does not show that China has or will pass us.

Your final statements are ridiculous. Trump's voter base (and the Republican base) is far more educated than the Democrat base, so I don't understand why you are talking about "basking in anti-intellectualism". The truth is that many of the Democrats and antiTrumpers are "basking" in anti-science and anti-fact. Honestly, I'd bet that many people in both parties don't really understand the Paris agreement and its potential consequences. For them, this is just about party loyalty or something similar.

I have no strong opinions on the issue of the Paris agreement (because I haven't read the whole thing), but from what I've heard, Trump's decision is not a move backwards (or forwards). It is just a move. He feels that the US is not getting a very good deal and that the US would face economic hardships because of the deal that other countries may not have to face. Doesn't seem fair to me, so I can understand why he made the decision until better terms are offered in the agreement. It is certainly not backwards or stupid.

There are pros and cons of staying and leaving. Calling him backwards or antiintellectual because he doesn't agree with your opinion is silly and makes you a bigot.

non_us_runner wrote:

Congrats, 'merica, for joining war-torn Syria, and Nicaragua, in the club of countries that have not adopted the Paris Agreement. You should be ashamed of voting for this horrorclown.

Make no mistake, while in the short run the withdrawal could be beneficial for certain Americans, as long as the rest of the world cooperates the US will pay a big prize for this. I predict trade sanctions at some point, unless the US changes direction.

This country is morally bankrupt, too many bad hombres.

If other countries sanction us for this, then that makes them morally bankrupt. Wanting to protect your country and its citizens does not make you morally bankrupt. Why are you mentioning Syria and Nicaragua?

Dude, wasn't Paris 2015 like 2 years ago?

DiscoGary wrote:

Add one more reason to be proud of a vote for Trump:

1. Kept Hillary out of the White House.

2. Gorsuch on the Supreme Court.

3. Withdrawal from the Paris Climate Accords.

Many smaller accomplishments, but those are all YUGE!

I'm not tired of winning yet though, so he better keep working.

None of these will tangibly benefit you. They are emotional appeals. the only one that's not emotional is Gorsuch, who favors corporate rights, is anti-union, and doesn't seem to be an adamate social conservative.

They are all tangible wins for liberal elites. And tangible losses for the forgotten man.