state your college division, High school G.P.A., times, and scholarship amount

Bhabbi wrote:

I don't know if these answers are surprising you, but they are not surprising me. In every sports except football and basketball, there is virtually no money for male athletes. Fastest guy on our small high school team had some 'maybe' money dangled for a D2 school, but in the end got nothing and went D3 with partial academic scholarships. Don't know any others runners who had money offered at all. Another friend was good enough to be drafted in a late round in baseball, and he had college offers that were a tiny fraction of a scholarship. He ended up going to the U.S. Naval Academy, so it was irrelevant, but still.

And it's not just due to Title IX; I learned this week while looking at the baseball roster for a local NAIA program that about one third of the players are citizens of Latin American nations. The situation is the same for many college track/CC programs.

I understand that big time college football and basketball are professional, big money productions but it is surprising how many roster slots at smaller schools go to foreign students.

i am old wrote:

might even be older - yes, I was highly ranked in high school.

The whole thing was a miserable experience. More or less ran to get away from an awful domestic situation, and I left at age 18, never took a dime from anyone (but a few loans), and somehow escaped.

Also an old guy who started college in the seventies; it was possible then to pay for room/board and tuition on a good summer job or a year round part-time gig.

It was $2000 for everything for a full academic year at my Big Ten school. That would be about $8000 per year now if the price had risen in conformity with inflation. But, we all know how that story has developed.

Well, at least you youngsters get a safe space when you are triggered for paying 3-10 times as much.

DI

3.1

1:56

4:18

9:27

100%

DIII

3.84

15:09/9:34

0%

mill worker - you nailed it. The economics were different. Also, the last thing I needed - a poor kid going to school with highly competitive people from a much higher socio-economic status level than me was to be told I needed safe spaces. I was behind my upper level academic peers in college in several respects - many were from prep schools - many just had better high school preparation - not to mention that I was essentially a full time athlete - and the only way to catch up, as my honors program mentor stated often - was to see how much ego damage I could endure. Lots of it. I am aghast at the safe spaces crowd today, treating students (particularly minority students) as if they were made of tissue paper. Not only is that narrative actually inaccurate, it creates deadly incentives for personal development and ability to compete. I ended up doing exceedingly well in academics, going on to very high level graduate school achievement (so much so I had trouble believing I was doing so well), and if I had heard the safe spaces narrative, I most certainly would never crawled out of the hole from which I started. My generation just is not serving young people very well.

d1, 3.27 gpa w/ 30 ACT, 1:58/9:20 (3km), 80% (all academic)

The school I walked on at had not very smart people on the team.

D2, 2.9 GPA but high SAT scores, High School 52.3 (400), 1:58 (800), 2:34 1,000m 4:29 mile, 9:45 2 mile

26,000 in scholarship...$6,000 Athletic grant and 20,000 for academics even though I had 2.9 in high school. School sucked at running and I was the only boy to get money. I think the coach might of lied about my grades because my scholarship required me to keep a 3.0, which I didn't have in high school. I graduated with 3.46.

D-I

3.8 GPA/1360 SAT

49.9 & 1:52.3

50%

D1 Big 10

HS GPA: 3.98

HS PRs: 5:05 Mile (male)

Scholarship: 40â„…

Obviously I'm not on the team, but I get the warm fuzzies knowing my academic scholarship outweighs anything the XC team is getting with the exception of 10 or so athletes. A poor school district is better than dank track PRs for $$$

D2

GPA 3.9

Mile: 4:15

800: 1:55

5K: 15:08

Full Ride (50% athletic, 50% academic) I had good test scores too

A little more detailed for perspective.

HS GPA - 3.3

11th grade- 11.7 100m, 23.8, 200m, 400 split 55

12th grade - 11.2, 22.5, 50.2, 2:02.2

Walked on to a D1 team

0 scholarship for 3 years.

25% scholarship for 4th year

Full scholarship final semester of 5th year (red shirt indoor season)

800m college progression - 1:55, 1:53 1:50, 1:49, 1:51 indoors flat track 5th year

1500m progression - no time, 4:05, 3:54, 3:52, 3:42 (5th year outdoor, not on team)

I agree with some of what you say, and more power to you for climbing out of less than ideal circumstances.

I grew up in better economic circumstances (albeit in a rather dysfunctional family!) and when I was in high school my dad said he'd find a way to pay for about any college I wanted to go--and in fact if anything he actually wanted me to go out of state. No way could he have done that in today's economy without taking on hefty loans. I got full fellowships through most of grad school (but did have to pay my way to finish the last year of my terminal degree).

Not sure about the safe space stuff, a lot of that is just RW media hype. Probably a bigger deal at some schools than others.

Anyway I have a couple kids in college here are their stats:

HS - GPA ~3.95, 33 ACT, ca. 2000-2100 SAT

Both ran about 4:40/10:00 for 1600/3200, 16:20 5K XC.

One is on a 50% academic ride out of state (varied from year to year, was more like 70% the first couple years, less than 50% now even though GPA has been steady at 3.95 or so) participates in club sports. Accepted to med school in the Ivy League. The other is in state on 30% athletic/70% academic scholarship (STEM), at a DII school. Speak for yourself but I think we served our kids well.

D2

HS GPA: 2.2

HS ACT: 31

:50

1:56

4:24

0â„…

D1

GPA: 4.31 (AP courses weighted)

9:12 (3200) 4:19 (mile) -junior year

10% and books + academic money

D2

Late 00's

3.5/4

29?

3200 10:01 (Jr.)

1600 4:33 (Jr.)

0% Didn't plan to run in college

Little bit after 1st XC nats team, Little more after each AA.

20ish% By the end

Small D3 School

HS GPA was 4+ on a weird weighted system

2020 on the SATs

3k: 9:27

5k: 16:22

8k: 27:00

$0.00 Scholarship babyyy

D1 - top 10

HS GPA: 3.9/35 ACT

HS PRs: 4:27/9:27 (Jr year); runner up in WA state XC in early 2000s

Scholarship: Acadmic - Full tuition; Athletic - None

Obviously never missed the athletic scholarship; WAY more money in academics than athletics. A decade and a PhD later, I wish in hindsight that I had spent more time on academics than athletics as an undergrad. Oh well, live and learn.

d3

4.0

18:01, 5:13

50% (no athletic scholarships, obviously)

Posting in here because this has been helpful and because of traffic in this post.

Im the mom of a junior boy who would like to run in college. Current PR from indoor this year is 4:31 (have only had one meet), sophomore year PR in 800 is 2:01, XC PR was 15:50. Hasn't run 3200 since freshman year (10:15). Wants to go to a good academic institution, 31 ACT (first attempt but will take one more time), 4.1 weighted GPA. Doesn't need scholarship money but books or something would be nice. Is there a possibility that he could get admissions help at schools where his academics are in the right range? At what point would a coach want to help him get in if son's scholarship requests are minimal? What times would he need to hit at D1 or D3 academically selective schools?