The REAL reason for dropping out is of course Kara Goucher's commentary.
The REAL reason for dropping out is of course Kara Goucher's commentary.
John Clendon wrote:
Springheel Jack wrote:Those spring shoes by Nike must still have a few kinks to work out.
Says the guy with zero serious info on these shoes.
Says the guy with zero sense of humor.
Angryjohnny wrote:
feldman wrote:People make so many mistakes in treating PF.
Like what kind of mistakes? Just curious because I'm currently fighting a recurring battle with PF. I have found that the night boot, better shoes, ankle and toe exercises, and golf ball massage have helped the most, but it keeps coming back.
And it's going to keep coming back until you recognize / address the cause: hips, hamstrings, foot strength, range of motion... PF is a ** symptom ** of all kinds of issues, the key is finding out what yours is. In my case, it was weak ankles / hips when coming back to road racing after years bike racing where my lateral strength went to crap: PT, ART, Graston, Strindberg Sock, barefoot running (a mile or less on grass), wobble board, golf, lacrosse & pungent sweaty balls-- all these things are your friends.
BTW I trained through both times-- one each foot-- and am 100% cured at 40-70 mpw, most of that road but I can mountain goat the trails also far better than I could before.
mockdoc wrote:
Jimmy21 wrote:If he really does have pf, could he still put in serious milage and train through it using the underwater treadmill?
Despite what Inter would have you believe, there is a wide spectrum of severity of PF, and that majority of that spectrum would be preferable to a stress fracture. I would think that regardless, he will back off briefly and be using the underwater treadmill.
ESWT is the way to go!
How does a guy with all the help in the world get PF? This seems like a pretty easily avoidable injury.
somebloke wrote:
he said it it must be RuppCert wrote:What is more Rupp Certified than world out of Rupps mouth?
you don't know the joke, do you? geez.
the meme does not fit the proposed usage
+ acupuncture, though not alone, can work wonders. Coming back from PF, however, if foot is feeling tight, accupuncture with muscle release-- calf in my case-- cooled the foot down and enabled me to keep doing track workouts.
There's some crossover between ART and this type of acupuncture, each has its merits.
Depending on how severe Galen's PF issue is, I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up pulling out of Boston. That injury can linger for a LONG time, which would prevent him from doing the necessary training toward the Boston Marathon, which in reality, is only 12 weeks away.
On one hand, he'd have to limit (or stop) his training to get rid of the PF, yet still be able to fully alleviate the problem and still have enough time to get back into top shape to battle the decent field they've assembled over 26.2 miles.
I hope he's able to do so, and with all the resources available to him, he may be able to, but again, won't be surprised to read a notice later on that he's pulled out of Boston too.
Madbro wrote:
How does a guy with all the help in the world get PF? This seems like a pretty easily avoidable injury.
PF can also be an acute injury, like any tendon, muscle, ligament it just rips, tears, pulls, whatever. You can speculate all you like as to causes, but sometimes it just happens. With injuries it's not about are you going to get them, it's about how you manage them when you do. Here endeth the lesson.
Like what kind of mistakes? Just curious because I'm currently fighting a recurring battle with PF. I have found that the night boot, better shoes, ankle and toe exercises, and golf ball massage have helped the most, but it keeps coming back.
I live in a city of 1 million, and the best marathoners in my city have been out for almost a year due to PF. It's no joke; as someone else mentioned, worse than a stress fracture in some ways.
What has helped me is taping my foot (pretty sure there are videos on You Tube; my P.T. showed me how and it's easy) and wearing that tape all day except when I am running. (My schedule was run, shower, the immediately ice then tape, and leave tape on until next run).
Amy Beach wrote:
Angryjohnny wrote:Like what kind of mistakes? Just curious because I'm currently fighting a recurring battle with PF. I have found that the night boot, better shoes, ankle and toe exercises, and golf ball massage have helped the most, but it keeps coming back.
And it's going to keep coming back until you recognize / address the cause: hips, hamstrings, foot strength, range of motion... PF is a ** symptom ** of all kinds of issues, the key is finding out what yours is. In my case, it was weak ankles / hips when coming back to road racing after years bike racing where my lateral strength went to crap: PT, ART, Graston, Strindberg Sock, barefoot running (a mile or less on grass), wobble board, golf, lacrosse & pungent sweaty balls-- all these things are your friends.
BTW I trained through both times-- one each foot-- and am 100% cured at 40-70 mpw, most of that road but I can mountain goat the trails also far better than I could before.
This person gets it. The problem is there isn't a honest doc out there that will tell you they know where the weakness is. It's impossible for them to know. So they go the route of "do no harm" and give you all kinds of things to coddle the foot. But YOU need to find the weakness. And IMO, that means tons of strengthening work and barefoot running once you're adequately warmed up. I went from not being able to walk to it being completely gone within 2 weeks. I ran 115 miles each of those weeks as well. Treat PF like it's going to kill you. Meaning aggressive and constant attention and you'll cure it.
Jonathan Gault wrote:
Organizers announced today that Rupp is out.
"Unfortunately I will be unable to race on Sunday due to plantar fasciitis in my foot," said Rupp. "It is improving, but not enough to run a half marathon on. I hope to get the chance to run the Aramco Houston Half Marathon in the future."
Mare Dibaba (death in family) and Tigist Tufa (injury) are out of the women's race as well.
Bromelaine enzyme, twice a day 500mg - 1000mg with water between meals + transverse massage = gone in 2 weeks.
It might not be this Sunday because of weather but Korir is the future half marathon AR record holder. I honestly believe that by the time his career is up he will be one of the greatest American long distance runners of all time. He has a long way to go but a focused and motivated Korir can be special. #FearKorir
Jonathan Gault wrote:
Organizers announced today that Rupp is out.
"Unfortunately I will be unable to race on Sunday due to plantar fasciitis in my foot," said Rupp. "It is improving, but not enough to run a half marathon on. I hope to get the chance to run the Aramco Houston Half Marathon in the future."
Mare Dibaba (death in family) and Tigist Tufa (injury) are out of the women's race as well.
No one ever died from a side stitch or PF.
Precious Snowflakes these days....
feldman wrote:
Amy Beach wrote:And it's going to keep coming back until you recognize / address the cause: hips, hamstrings, foot strength, range of motion... PF is a ** symptom ** of all kinds of issues, the key is finding out what yours is. In my case, it was weak ankles / hips when coming back to road racing after years bike racing where my lateral strength went to crap: PT, ART, Graston, Strindberg Sock, barefoot running (a mile or less on grass), wobble board, golf, lacrosse & pungent sweaty balls-- all these things are your friends.
BTW I trained through both times-- one each foot-- and am 100% cured at 40-70 mpw, most of that road but I can mountain goat the trails also far better than I could before.
This person gets it. The problem is there isn't a honest doc out there that will tell you they know where the weakness is. It's impossible for them to know. So they go the route of "do no harm" and give you all kinds of things to coddle the foot. But YOU need to find the weakness. And IMO, that means tons of strengthening work and barefoot running once you're adequately warmed up. I went from not being able to walk to it being completely gone within 2 weeks. I ran 115 miles each of those weeks as well. Treat PF like it's going to kill you. Meaning aggressive and constant attention and you'll cure it.
And for me I simply switched to neutral running shoes to heal my PF.
That is part of the problem with PF. Lots of causes and lots of opinions on the 'right' way to treat it. I done all the icing, stretching and strengthening and also use insoles and stability shoes for support. Nothing helped so I ditched the stability shoes and insoles and it went away VERY quickly.
joho wrote:
And for me I simply switched to neutral running shoes to heal my PF.
That is part of the problem with PF. Lots of causes and lots of opinions on the 'right' way to treat it. I done all the icing, stretching and strengthening and also use insoles and stability shoes for support. Nothing helped so I ditched the stability shoes and insoles and it went away VERY quickly.
But you basically did what I recommended. Find the weakness and build strength. Stability shoes were preventing that from happening. As soon as you exposed the weakness by going to neutral shoes, it went away. Not as aggressive as what I recommend, mixing in some barefoot running, but same idea.
I'm not saying I know the exact course of action that will cure everyone. Just the basic idea.
xcjason wrote:
The REAL reason for dropping out is of course Kara Goucher's commentary.
I was looking forward to that aspect. Curious as to how she would handle herself - especially if Rupp ran very well. Would she have been able to announce the race indifferently, or would she say that he's on something, etc etc...
Thanks for the advice Feldman (and others). I agree that it would be very interesting to find out how Salazar and Rupp attack it. Maybe one day someone will discover the silver bullet cure-all for PF. That person would make a lot of money.
Angryjohnny wrote:
Thanks for the advice Feldman (and others). I agree that it would be very interesting to find out how Salazar and Rupp attack it. Maybe one day someone will discover the silver bullet cure-all for PF. That person would make a lot of money.
I think that might be me. I had PF for 2.5 years in one foot and did this treatment and it was gone in one week. My other foot developed PF at the same time the other foot was getting better and it too was gone in one week.
Chin up and Pull up champ wrote:
Angryjohnny wrote:Thanks for the advice Feldman (and others). I agree that it would be very interesting to find out how Salazar and Rupp attack it. Maybe one day someone will discover the silver bullet cure-all for PF. That person would make a lot of money.
I think that might be me. I had PF for 2.5 years in one foot and did this treatment and it was gone in one week. My other foot developed PF at the same time the other foot was getting better and it too was gone in one week.
Care to share?