in his prime...damn... no one could touch him. the most dangerous man in the world. most of the men that stood in front of him in the ring had already lost before you could hear the bell.
in his prime...damn... no one could touch him. the most dangerous man in the world. most of the men that stood in front of him in the ring had already lost before you could hear the bell.
Interestingly, in most boxing polls, Mike never makes the top 10 greatest heavyweights of all-time.
Three of his contemporaries: Lennox Lewis, Evander and, particularly, Larry Holmes always finish ahead.
As to boxing being dead, well 2018 promises to be a great year when we just might see the heavyweight title unified.
smile wrote:
simplification of sports wrote:
Why don't they have have weight categories in middle distance running? In just seems too contrived to have wieght categories in sport - you are either have the physical make up to be the best in a sport or you don't. Sports should not be making up some categories to give less able people an advantage over more able people - they are about competition, to find out who is the best.
For the same reason that running has different events, like the 100, 400m hurdles, steeple, marathon, etc.
simplification of sports wrote:
Boxing should be about who is the best boxer period. No weight divisions etc .., just who is the best. Like the orginal UFC was.
The best boxer period is Vasyl Lomachenko who won his first world title at 126 pounds.
Before him, it was Floyd Mayweather who won his first world title at 130 pounds.
But could Floyd beat Anthony Joshua? If your answer is no, then Floyd is not the best boxer.
Indeed, at Floyd's peak there were hundreds and hundreds of fighters who would have flattened him easily.
Floyd might have had a great technique and style, but so have lots of sprinters, for example, but they aren't going to beat Usain Bolt
I agree with this take on Mike Tyson. Yes, he lost to Douglas and Holyfield on a downward spiral. Yes, he was a terrible wife-beater and multilevel criminal mind. Yes, he will now be universally viewed as a joke now. But in his prime, Tyson's fights were definitive. Tyson was a connector. When he punched, you knew it would connect and there would be pain. I would have loved to (or hated to) see a fight between Mike Tyson in his prime vs Laurence Tureaud (Mr. T) in his prime Two men from essentially the same track. Not sure who'd have won
I'll make you my girlfriend wrote:
a freak athlete, he turned pro at 18 and in 2 years he was 29-0 with 26 knockouts and won his 1st world title
"I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, and most ruthless champion there's ever been. There's no one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No, I'm Alexander, he's no Alexander. I'm the best ever. There's never been anybody as ruthless. I'm Sonny Liston,I'm Jack Dempsey. There's no one like me. I'm from their cloth. There's no one that can match me. My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious. I want your heart. I want to eat his children."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaSwPnsTFY4
Huh??? wrote:
"boxing is almost dead in US"
We can only hope. An activity whose *primary object* is to render another human being unconscious is an embarrassment to the human race. Some "sport."
Boxing is like running but for the whole body. The conditioning is amazing and Cardio is huge part. The courage to face another gladiator in the ring is sobering. Can skill and intelligence trump brute strength and aggression? It’s an incredible contest between the brave. Getting hit, while seemingly brutal is something that you can learn to “roll with the punches”, ideally train out the flinch and make defense an offense. All boxers accept the fact they may get ko’d.
Boxing is very strong right now. Excellent boxers in almost all weight classes. Mayweather is the highest paid athlete in all sports. The Pacquiao fight made more than the GDP of the poorest 17 nations of the world. You can find excellent non-ppv fights on hbo, showtime, ESPN and new promoters like golden boy or PBC.
You are an h-mo wrote:
Huh??? wrote:
"boxing is almost dead in US"
We can only hope. An activity whose *primary object* is to render another human being unconscious is an embarrassment to the human race. Some "sport."
Boxing is like running but for the whole body. The conditioning is amazing and Cardio is huge part. The courage to face another gladiator in the ring is sobering. Can skill and intelligence trump brute strength and aggression? It’s an incredible contest between the brave. Getting hit, while seemingly brutal is something that you can learn to “roll with the punches”, ideally train out the flinch and make defense an offense. All boxers accept the fact they may get ko’d.
Boxing is very strong right now. Excellent boxers in almost all weight classes. Mayweather is the highest paid athlete in all sports. The Pacquiao fight made more than the GDP of the poorest 17 nations of the world. You can find excellent non-ppv fights on hbo, showtime, ESPN and new promoters like golden boy or PBC.
It is amazing - not to labour the point - that Floyd was not only the highest paid boxer in the world but also the highest paid sports star period BUT he was not in the top hundred ( thousand?) boxers in the world i.e. there were hundreds of boxers who could have flattened him.
Could you imagine the 1000th best swimmer in the world being the highest paid swimmer?
It's like a sports' fans equivalent of the "suspension of disbelief" in the world of literature/movies.
Huh??? wrote:
"boxing is almost dead in US"
We can only hope. An activity whose *primary object* is to render another human being unconscious is an embarrassment to the human race. Some "sport."
Except that rendering another human being unconscious is NOT the *primary object* of boxing.
Kvkv wrote:
Huh??? wrote:
"boxing is almost dead in US"
We can only hope. An activity whose *primary object* is to render another human being unconscious is an embarrassment to the human race. Some "sport."
Except that rendering another human being unconscious is NOT the *primary object* of boxing.
What outcome would a boxer prefer over ending the fight with a KO on their first punch?
Good times are killing me wrote:
Holyfield deserved to have his ear bitten off for avoiding the Tyson fight before Tyson went to prison. He knew he had no chance at that point.
Also, Holyfield was cheating during that fight and kept headbutting Tyson. Tyson said enough is enough and let his teeth make a move.
name a higher objective wrote:
What outcome would a boxer prefer over ending the fight with a KO on their first punch?
Winning by decision or points
Kvkv wrote:
name a higher objective wrote:
What outcome would a boxer prefer over ending the fight with a KO on their first punch?
Winning by decision or points
Winning by decision or points would also be desirable outcomes, but I imagine that given the choice between winning by decision/points and winning by KO in short order, most fighters would pick the latter.
Kvkv wrote:
Good times are killing me wrote:
Holyfield deserved to have his ear bitten off for avoiding the Tyson fight before Tyson went to prison. He knew he had no chance at that point.
Also, Holyfield was cheating during that fight and kept headbutting Tyson. Tyson said enough is enough and let his teeth make a move.
And, Evander grabbing all the time...like Ali. Had the rules been applied strictly to Ali and Holyfield their careers would have been very different.
probably the Heavyweight boxing did die with Mike Tyson, there is nobody in that division that is really wowing anybody
Main reason boxing is 'dead' is because in the US at least its too much risk compared to other sports. Particularly basketball followed by football as the type of athlete to make a good heavyweight fighter would play 1 of those 2 sports most likely. Those sports in general are better paid and you don't have to get pummeled. Yes, of course top fighters stand to make a ton of money but otherwise you get next to nothing for fights.
Most fighters these days would get their asses handed to them by the greats. Pacman for example is one of the worst 'good' fighters of all time, his form is absolutely terrible. I laughed so hard when people actually thought he stood a chance against Mayweather. The only thing the guy has going for him is his ability to stay on his feat and keep punching no matter how much of a beating he takes.
I used to be a huge boxing fan but dont even bother anymore since these fighters these days lack any sort of real skill or technique.
Huh??? wrote:
"boxing is almost dead in US"
We can only hope. An activity whose *primary object* is to render another human being unconscious is an embarrassment to the human race. Some "sport."
The American male has been completely and abjectly feminized
portsea57 wrote:
smile wrote:
For the same reason that running has different events, like the 100, 400m hurdles, steeple, marathon, etc.
The best boxer period is Vasyl Lomachenko who won his first world title at 126 pounds.
Before him, it was Floyd Mayweather who won his first world title at 130 pounds.
But could Floyd beat Anthony Joshua? If your answer is no, then Floyd is not the best boxer.
Indeed, at Floyd's peak there were hundreds and hundreds of fighters who would have flattened him easily.
Floyd might have had a great technique and style, but so have lots of sprinters, for example, but they aren't going to beat Usain Bolt
So who is the best runner? Bolt or Kipchoge?
Actually, if you want to be as basic as possible, you can define the best runner as who runs the fastest or who runs the furthest. In other words, if there should be no weight classes in boxing, there should be just two distances in running - 100m (or one sprint between 60m and 150m) and an ultra-marathon where the winner is the last guy still running (i.e run the furthest without walking or stopping).
Also, boxing and MMA might be different if there were no rounds. When there were no rounds in MMA, it was smaller grappling guys who dominated.
ABC. wrote:
probably the Heavyweight boxing did die with Mike Tyson, there is nobody in that division that is really wowing anybody
probably the heavyweight division died in the US, since the US can no longer produce better boxers than the rest of the world. Poor US crybabies can't take it that champions from other countries have been dominating so there's no way they're going hype or promote the division any longer.
I grew up watching boxing as it was televised live. All major fights were. ABC, I think. Anyway, "boxing " got greedy and went pay per view. They made money, but as the years passed, the ratings plummeted. I don't know who any of the champions are now.
As far as Tyson goes, the guy was phenomenal, but was a mental case. He often cried before fights, scared that he may lose and disappoint his team. Then, one of boxing's greatest crooks, Don King, took over and it was all down hill from there. I remember seeing several interviews where Tyson said he didn't really want to even box anymore. He was entertaining, but I believe Jamin could have taken him in 3.