57 sec 400m
3:59 1500m
57 sec 400m
3:59 1500m
Sasuke wrote:
51 400
4.21 1500 (run just once)
Horrible endurance!
Smooth Playa wrote:
400m 62
5k: 16:04
Horrible speed!
400 (49.8)
800 (1:58.56)
1500 (4:10.32)
5K (16:20 on the road)
10K (34:14)
Half marathon (1:17:20)
Marathon (2:51:24)
400- 58
800- 2:10
1600- 4:45
years ago, but...
400- 46.8,
800- 1:47.4,
mile- 3:57,
2 mile- 9:02
Clubrunning wrote:
57 in practice, never raced the 400
4:38 1600
16:30 5k
Interesting, very close to my times.
Ran 57 in track meet after racing the mile. Track1600 PR= 4:37; 5K road 16:01. I think I had 54 in me if I focused on it and rested.
43.03. From Lane 8. Made Kirani & LaShawn look merely mortal.
Long ago PRs:
400: 65
5K road: 16:09
RejectRunner wrote:
1:10 400
5:09 mile
400m-58(first lap of 800)
1600m-4:35
400 - 50.3, raced twice senior year (not in a relay, in an open race).
800 - 1:57.1, raced once senior year.
1,500 - 4:04.2, raced many times, all sit and kick races.
3,000 - 8:32.7, raced once senior year as I was convinced I was a miler.
5,000 - 15:03.8 xc, so who knows how accurate the distance was.
10 miles - 52:07.? road race, first and last road race.
all times from hs and in races. I went to college as a walk on but didn't make the travel squad so never raced after hs. The college I attended has a reputation of being a meat grinder and I got grinded up!!!
Middling in Distance wrote:
I think I'm a strange one in this respect
400m 51.5
800m 1:51.2
1500m 3:57.5
I don't know what happened
Similar
49.8
1:53
3:49
13:54
400 meter - 60
800 meter - 2:20
1600 meter 5:00
3200 meter 11:04
3 mile - 17:50 (cross country)
5k- 18:31 ( road race)
All From 2002-2003
I was not any good. Just hopeful and enjoy running as intramural activity. I would end up running 77 mile a week for 3 months ended up in the injury reserve since this post. I truly miss competing and training uninhibited.
Bro - Mama wrote:
years ago, but...
400- 46.8,
800- 1:47.4,
mile- 3:57,
2 mile- 9:02
I said open times bud.
:65s in HS [swimmer/not a runner] just messing around
am not/have never been fast on my feet
at 43:
1:18 [fastest of 4x800 repeats this year]
6:06 mile
20:50 5k
400: 59
1600: 4:48
43.5
1:53
Letsrun don't cry
Smoove wrote:
So out of those 5 guys, how many of them do you think are incapable of running? How many do you think are incapable of running 50?
3 out of 5 of them averaged 58-59 for their 1500s.
Another thing to note is that I think the question is not what can they run during marathon training, but what were they capable of running when they were at their fastest?
Many of these guys simply never raced the 800m or 1500m very often, so I think picking out some college times isn't dispositive of much. I ran steeple 5k and 10k in college. I don't think I ever ran an open 800, and I ran one open 1500 my junior year (I won a tactical race at a conference meet to establish my PR of 3:59) and one my senior year (winning the event a dual meet at Williams College on a cold day to open the season). So my PR in the 1500 is 3:59. I never ran a 400 in a race setting. The only time I can point to is a mid 55s effort when I was going all out on the last rep of an 8 x 400 session. Now take that and imagine applying that to a national class athlete instead of a very high level D III athlete. I just cannot fathom that the vast majority of these guys couldn't eak out the times we are talking about.
Just wanna throw it out there that you probably couldn't go much faster than 55s for an open FAT 400. Good 5k guys--and frankly you were a pretty darn good 5k guy, Letsrun standards aside--are really good at tapping into their top speed at the end of races, workouts, etc. if they're not overly fatigued. It's why you see Mo dropping a 49 mid at the end of a 14:15 5k, or Bekele dropping a 51.5 at the end of a 12:59 (!) 5k. This even goes to the 1500--look at Centro dropping 50.x at the end of a 3:50, or 49.x at the end of a workout when he's good for what, 48 mid open? Maybe?
You can even see this at a high school level. From a coaching stance, I've seen 4:25 milers closing 4:35 miles in 60/61, 8x400 workouts in 59/60, and then barely breaking 59 on the off chance that they ever run open 4s. I've seen 4:20/15:00 guys who can bust out 9 400s at 65 and then close in a 60 that could barely scratch sub-60 open.
With the people who become elite 10k/Marathoners, you often have this to a truly extreme level. An old friend of mine coached a girl who placed top 10 FL Nats, top 5 CIF D2, and won a CIF state 3200 title. One of her staple workouts was 8x400@73/74. Another was 6x800@2:32. What made it insane was that she barely broke 70 over 400. She ended up a very good 10k runner and excellent marathoner.
That's a single case, but you can find plenty more like it. Ritz was definitely one of these guys (I believe he's claimed to have never run under 54 for 400) and I'd imagine that plenty of the true aerobic machines that are running sub-2:15 marathons, sub 27:50 10ks, and the like would really struggle to break 53.
Obviously there are some exceptions--and those guys are the best in the world. Think Lagat, who could probably bust out a 47-mid in his prime, or Geb/Bekele, who were definitely capable of sub-50 from a flying start and ended up some of the world's best marathoners, or Mo, who's probably good for a 50 flat standing start and ran 26:50 and 2:08 (pretty sure?). But these guys are far and away exceptions, not the norm.
58.5 400m
9:58 3200m
55 sec 400m
17:45 5k