In my opinion I'd bet that Rudisha would beat Martyn Rooney in a 400.
In my opinion I'd bet that Rudisha would beat Martyn Rooney in a 400.
Isn't this thread about what people have actually run?
There are plenty of threads ruined by people arguing about fantasy times.
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Some random observations.
Breaking 45 seconds in an open 400 is really hard. In 2016 only 24 men went under 45.
http://www.alltime-athletics.com/m_400ok.htm
That basically means you have to be an Olympic semifinal caliber 400 man to get under 45.
I actually agree with the posters who have said Rudisha and Amos (probably) could have broken 45 for the 400 in the right conditions but the fact is they didn't and probably won't at this point of their careers.
There is no such thing as a world class 400/800 runner and probably never will be again. To podium in both events at a world event requires sub 44, sub 1:43 ability. That guy isn't out there although it would be interesting to see WVN give the 800 a go just to see what happened. He's relatively trim but he is a true sprinter who runs with really high turnover so the 800 would be a different galaxy for him.
For elite 800 runners, there doesn't seem to be much utility in pushing open 400 time below 46 high/ 47 flat as Kipketer, Bosse, Borzakovy, Tuka, etc , etc have all at least broken 1:43 and earned World, Olympic, Diamond League success without even breaking 46. (Believe me, an open 400 in 46.x is smoking but the point is 800 runners don't need to and shouldn't try to turn themselves into sprinters.)
ukathleticcoach wrote:
ergerg wrote:In a serious attempt rudisha could break 45, no problem.
He can click off 33s 300s like clockwork in workouts. He can do it.
No he couldn't. He'd have to switch completely to that distance
He couldn't or he could if he switched?
Historian wrote:
Some random observations.
Breaking 45 seconds in an open 400 is really hard. In 2016 only 24 men went under 45.
http://www.alltime-athletics.com/m_400ok.htmThat basically means you have to be an Olympic semifinal caliber 400 man to get under 45.
I actually agree with the posters who have said Rudisha and Amos (probably) could have broken 45 for the 400 in the right conditions but the fact is they didn't and probably won't at this point of their careers.
There is no such thing as a world class 400/800 runner and probably never will be again. To podium in both events at a world event requires sub 44, sub 1:43 ability. That guy isn't out there although it would be interesting to see WVN give the 800 a go just to see what happened. He's relatively trim but he is a true sprinter who runs with really high turnover so the 800 would be a different galaxy for him.
For elite 800 runners, there doesn't seem to be much utility in pushing open 400 time below 46 high/ 47 flat as Kipketer, Bosse, Borzakovy, Tuka, etc , etc have all at least broken 1:43 and earned World, Olympic, Diamond League success without even breaking 46. (Believe me, an open 400 in 46.x is smoking but the point is 800 runners don't need to and shouldn't try to turn themselves into sprinters.)
You might want to change your name. Borza has broken 46.
Mark Everett wrote:
Historian wrote:Some random observations.
Breaking 45 seconds in an open 400 is really hard. In 2016 only 24 men went under 45.
http://www.alltime-athletics.com/m_400ok.htmThat basically means you have to be an Olympic semifinal caliber 400 man to get under 45.
I actually agree with the posters who have said Rudisha and Amos (probably) could have broken 45 for the 400 in the right conditions but the fact is they didn't and probably won't at this point of their careers.
There is no such thing as a world class 400/800 runner and probably never will be again. To podium in both events at a world event requires sub 44, sub 1:43 ability. That guy isn't out there although it would be interesting to see WVN give the 800 a go just to see what happened. He's relatively trim but he is a true sprinter who runs with really high turnover so the 800 would be a different galaxy for him.
For elite 800 runners, there doesn't seem to be much utility in pushing open 400 time below 46 high/ 47 flat as Kipketer, Bosse, Borzakovy, Tuka, etc , etc have all at least broken 1:43 and earned World, Olympic, Diamond League success without even breaking 46. (Believe me, an open 400 in 46.x is smoking but the point is 800 runners don't need to and shouldn't try to turn themselves into sprinters.)
You might want to change your name. Borza has broken 46.
Good looking out.
800ftw. wrote:
relays aren't open races wrote:It's not.
Relays aren't open races, correct. That's why I said I'd predict a 44.9 based on that race. Watch the video, what do you think he can run for 400m?
He's running against sub 45 guys in that.
I'd agree that 0.7 - 1.0 secs is about right for a conversion from a relay to an open 400, so your 0.8 is good.
Looking at the race, leg 2 is probably the hardest to time accurately, as they usually have given the baton to someone else building up speed, and who has it by the time the baton crosses the finish line and the leg split is taken.
Haven't seen it as an 'official' 44.1 split, I just got 44.3, but it certainly was worth at least 45.0 for an open race.
However, Amos's endurance seems pretty poor as he struggled to put together a series of decent 800 times this past year.
Deanouk wrote:
800ftw. wrote:Relays aren't open races, correct. That's why I said I'd predict a 44.9 based on that race. Watch the video, what do you think he can run for 400m?
He's running against sub 45 guys in that.
I'd agree that 0.7 - 1.0 secs is about right for a conversion from a relay to an open 400, so your 0.8 is good.
Looking at the race, leg 2 is probably the hardest to time accurately, as they usually have given the baton to someone else building up speed, and who has it by the time the baton crosses the finish line and the leg split is taken.
Haven't seen it as an 'official' 44.1 split, I just got 44.3, but it certainly was worth at least 45.0 for an open race.
However, Amos's endurance seems pretty poor as he struggled to put together a series of decent 800 times this past year.
I used this website, it is pretty comprehensive and there's no bias, it is simply a collection of data.
http://www.alltime-athletics.com/m4x400ok.htmSearch for Amos.
I think he was 32-33 yrs old in this race
800ftw. wrote:
I used this website, it is pretty comprehensive and there's no bias, it is simply a collection of data.
http://www.alltime-athletics.com/m4x400ok.htmSearch for Amos.
Thanks for that link 800ftw.
I think I've seen that list before, and on closer inspection of the stats and the race video footage, I think there has been an error!
If you do a search and find for all the relays run that day, 29.08.2015, in Beijing, almost all the teams listed had their 2nd leg runner run the fastest of all the splits within their team.
E.g. Yon Soriano!? (Dominican Republic) - 43.8! Whose official pb set earlier that month is 45.66!
https://www.iaaf.org/athletes/dominican-republic/yon-soriano-241819Ricardo Chambers (Jamaica) - 44.1
Now the Jamaican runner, Chambers, took over from Peter Matthews, who was clearly in the lead at the end of the first leg, (shown in the linked video above), where the clock on screen took his (Matthews) split as 43.97.
Now, in the 4 x 400 lists on the link you sent me, it has Matthews's split as 45.2!? and not the 43.97 as it shows in the video.
If you forward the video to the end of the 2nd leg, the split for the end of leg 2, with Jamaica still in the lead, is 1:29.14.
Perhaps the time at the end of the first leg shown on screen (43.97) was wrong , and taken at the wrong line, but it seemed to coincide with the Jamaican athlete crossing the line!?
Maybe you can check it out yourself and see what you can find, but there seems to be an anomaly.
Billy Koncellah ran low 1:43.07 and as an 18 year old ran 45.38 for the 400 flat.
Deanouk wrote:
800ftw. wrote:I used this website, it is pretty comprehensive and there's no bias, it is simply a collection of data.
http://www.alltime-athletics.com/m4x400ok.htmSearch for Amos.
Thanks for that link 800ftw.
I think I've seen that list before, and on closer inspection of the stats and the race video footage, I think there has been an error!
If you do a search and find for all the relays run that day, 29.08.2015, in Beijing, almost all the teams listed had their 2nd leg runner run the fastest of all the splits within their team.
E.g. Yon Soriano!? (Dominican Republic) - 43.8! Whose official pb set earlier that month is 45.66!
https://www.iaaf.org/athletes/dominican-republic/yon-soriano-241819Ricardo Chambers (Jamaica) - 44.1
Now the Jamaican runner, Chambers, took over from Peter Matthews, who was clearly in the lead at the end of the first leg, (shown in the linked video above), where the clock on screen took his (Matthews) split as 43.97.
Now, in the 4 x 400 lists on the link you sent me, it has Matthews's split as 45.2!? and not the 43.97 as it shows in the video.
If you forward the video to the end of the 2nd leg, the split for the end of leg 2, with Jamaica still in the lead, is 1:29.14.
Perhaps the time at the end of the first leg shown on screen (43.97) was wrong , and taken at the wrong line, but it seemed to coincide with the Jamaican athlete crossing the line!?
Maybe you can check it out yourself and see what you can find, but there seems to be an anomaly.
I remember watching the race on TV and thinking the clock was wrong on the first leg. 43.97 is not the correct time, of course, because the first leg is just an ordinary 400m starting from the blocks.
Further to your previous post, I think the 43.8 for Yon Soriano is either a mistake or the time is from the baton change because the 3rd leg runner has been given a pedestrian time of 46.58. The other times seem ok to me.
800ftw. wrote:
Deanouk wrote:Thanks for that link 800ftw.
I think I've seen that list before, and on closer inspection of the stats and the race video footage, I think there has been an error!
If you do a search and find for all the relays run that day, 29.08.2015, in Beijing, almost all the teams listed had their 2nd leg runner run the fastest of all the splits within their team.
E.g. Yon Soriano!? (Dominican Republic) - 43.8! Whose official pb set earlier that month is 45.66!
https://www.iaaf.org/athletes/dominican-republic/yon-soriano-241819Ricardo Chambers (Jamaica) - 44.1
Now the Jamaican runner, Chambers, took over from Peter Matthews, who was clearly in the lead at the end of the first leg, (shown in the linked video above), where the clock on screen took his (Matthews) split as 43.97.
Now, in the 4 x 400 lists on the link you sent me, it has Matthews's split as 45.2!? and not the 43.97 as it shows in the video.
If you forward the video to the end of the 2nd leg, the split for the end of leg 2, with Jamaica still in the lead, is 1:29.14.
Perhaps the time at the end of the first leg shown on screen (43.97) was wrong , and taken at the wrong line, but it seemed to coincide with the Jamaican athlete crossing the line!?
Maybe you can check it out yourself and see what you can find, but there seems to be an anomaly.
I remember watching the race on TV and thinking the clock was wrong on the first leg. 43.97 is not the correct time, of course, because the first leg is just an ordinary 400m starting from the blocks.
I agree that 43.97 is too fast for the 1st leg from blocks, but the Jamaican lead athlete does appear to cross the staggered line as the baton is passed at 43.97!? Or is that the wrong line?
It is the wrong line because they were using the long stagger where the second runner breaks around the 800m break mark.
Bumping this old thread to add Emmaunuel Korir, third man to actually do it, thia year.
44.53, 1:43:10.
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