LRC is constantly full of claims that he is a doper, and now it says he is too slow.
LRC is constantly full of claims that he is a doper, and now it says he is too slow.
Maybe it's not that important to him.
He doesnt even need to get the world record. He just has to run fast.
You don't enter the GOAT conversation at 12:53. You enter the fast kicker in a historically slow period of running conversation.
He runs 12:45, and we might view things a bit differently.
doot doot wrote:
tony the tiger wrote:Mo said in an interview after Rio that he will try to go for the 5k World record in 2017 and i'm pretty sure he will go for fast one in the Pre Classic for the 10k
We will see how it goes
I'll believe an attempt when I see it. Dude complained about everyone else while being towed to 26:46... Time trials are gut checks... Mo just doesn't have it.
Refardless, there aren't enough pacers or drugs on Earth to drag Mo "Excuses" Farah to a world record. Unless the dude maybe, maybe focused a season in the 1500? He's much closer to the WR in his signature even: 1500m. Monaco. I can see it now. "Oops" face.
Maybe that Puma pacer robot can understand and empathize with the Mobot well enough to help him to a PR at least? Is that thing legal yet?
Or maybe strap a shit load of cash to the tracked mechanical rabbit at a dog track? Are those tracks IAAF-certified? Maybe also strap some kind of doping immunity contract to it too.
Did Mo fvck your girlfriend? Oh wait, you don't have one. My mistake
"Geb and Bekele "reasonably" good racers???"
Yes, reasonably good. They won a lot of race, but they won because they were so much better than every one.
Remember 2004? The year Bekele ran 12:37. In the Olympic 5k, he started to ramp it up with 6-7 laps to go, but too often let Kipchoge take the lead and slow it down. He spent a lot of energy on the last lap just trying to get around Kipchoge.
He had to know that he needed to take more sting out of El G.
That was a poor tactical race. He should have won, and did things Mo would not have (giving up the lead in the last 2-3 laps).
Of course, that's just one race. Overall, he rarely ran poorly, but was it because he was so much better, or ran so much smarter.
In Mo's case it's clearly both. It's not so certain in Bekele's. And for Geb: I think it was because he was so much better.
However, both are nowhere near Webb, who clearly can not race.
well,. wrote:
He doesn´t run "a lot" of HM´s. He is good at the distance, but not spectacular.
He was beaten by a not fully fit Bekele and had to really work to beat Ritz in this year´s Great North Run.
59 or 60 minutes is not good. Good runners are under 59.
ianstewart wrote:
"Geb and Bekele "reasonably" good racers???"
Yes, reasonably good. They won a lot of race, but they won because they were so much better than every one.
Remember 2004? The year Bekele ran 12:37. In the Olympic 5k, he started to ramp it up with 6-7 laps to go, but too often let Kipchoge take the lead and slow it down. He spent a lot of energy on the last lap just trying to get around Kipchoge.
He had to know that he needed to take more sting out of El G.
That was a poor tactical race. He should have won, and did things Mo would not have (giving up the lead in the last 2-3 laps).
Of course, that's just one race. Overall, he rarely ran poorly, but was it because he was so much better, or ran so much smarter.
In Mo's case it's clearly both. It's not so certain in Bekele's. And for Geb: I think it was because he was so much better.
However, both are nowhere near Webb, who clearly can not race.
It´s a lot easier for Mo to keep the lead the last laps since he doesn´t have to face runners like Kipchoge or El G.
Ido wrote:
Why Farah never goes for WR?
He has speed, he runs sub 3:30 for 1500. Why doesn't he tries to go for WR on 5000 and 10000?
He never tries that on the diamond league
Records are temporary, medals are permanent.
What he takes a world best from KB and you want to ignore it because it's infrequently run or "soft"? I'm not going to defend Farah's status as GOAT because he's so clearly not, but you can't just not count it. The indoor 2 mile is run frequently enough to be at least moderately significant
jjjjj wrote:
Bekele was a shell of his former self by the time that Mo became a world beater (yet Bekele was able to beat him in a half marathon and also owns a 16 second gap over Farah in the 5000m and a 29 second gap in the 10000m, plus a gap of 5:18 in the marathon!). So, Mo has not had great competition. Yet, some of his competition, as up and down as they have been, were able to run 12:46/47 in Paris in 2012. The fact that he can run away from all of them at every championship and that he has run about 3 seconds faster in the 1500m than Bekele, while also running 59:32, suggests that he should be or should have been capable of running low 12:40s. However, guys like El G, Geb, and Bekele are wired differently than Mo. They are all winners, but the former have a drive to dominate and set world records, while Mo is satisfied with winning and setting British records. Webb had the drive to dominate and set records (American ones) but not the health or the race tactics to get the world championships and Olympic victories or world records. (he would surely have run 3:45 or better with that health). If Bekele is fully healthy next year, a world record in the marathon may be followed by 10000m gold but he'd have to have the sprint capacity back as well.
The reason El G, Geb and Bekele ran faster than Mo, is nothing to do with being wired differently; Mo is as ruthless as anyone; but rather they all competed at a time where there was an EPO free for all, followed by a few years of unreliable and irregular testing.
That's not saying that Mo is necessarily clean, but it's that much harder to dope heavily and get away with it.
I don't believe there is any IAAF cover up for Mo. Certainly not after the expose of 2015.
Mo is a racer, not a time trialer!
Metric Miler wrote:
Too difficult.
Farah doesn't claim to be the fastest of all time. As time goes on people will appreciate the rarity of some world record's and will just focus on the current competition, much like a large portion of the women's sport.
Nobody said "wow, Elaine did well this year, but that was no 10.5..."
Thank you. People on here act accusatory toward Farah like he claimed to be the GOAT. HE NEVER HAS. I'd love to see him drop the 12:45 he surely can run (he beat gebremeskel right after his 12:46) this is a guy who ran his 5k PB with a 53 last lap. I don't even like MO, but I don't begrudge him for not being THE GOAL. He still has a right to win, and to do so how he sees fit. The doping stuff is another story...
well,. wrote:
ianstewart wrote:"Geb and Bekele "reasonably" good racers???"
Yes, reasonably good. They won a lot of race, but they won because they were so much better than every one.
Remember 2004? The year Bekele ran 12:37. In the Olympic 5k, he started to ramp it up with 6-7 laps to go, but too often let Kipchoge take the lead and slow it down. He spent a lot of energy on the last lap just trying to get around Kipchoge.
He had to know that he needed to take more sting out of El G.
That was a poor tactical race. He should have won, and did things Mo would not have (giving up the lead in the last 2-3 laps).
Of course, that's just one race. Overall, he rarely ran poorly, but was it because he was so much better, or ran so much smarter.
In Mo's case it's clearly both. It's not so certain in Bekele's. And for Geb: I think it was because he was so much better.
However, both are nowhere near Webb, who clearly can not race.
It´s a lot easier for Mo to keep the lead the last laps since he doesn´t have to face runners like Kipchoge or El G.
Just 6 people faster than El G, one of whom has an identical 5k PR to Kipchoge.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5000_metres#Menianstewart wrote:
Close, but I have a different take.
A race is where every one gets to the line and the purpose is to win. Nobody knows what the others are going to do, and there are no rabbits. Everyone is on there own.
World record attempts (these days) are something completely different. You get a series of pace setters, and pre-determined plan on who will lead when and at what pace. Sometimes that does not go completely to plan. In fact, most often the pace is probably slightly off - a little too fast or too slow here or there, but everyone knows the score for at least 1/2, if not 3/4 of the race.
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I gather you are unfamiliar with the marathon. You should have watched Berlin. You would have gotten to see guys line up with no predetermined plan, and lots of suspense, and you would have gotten to see what a guy who truly was fast at mid-distance can do in a real marathon. I will give you a hint--he didn't jog a 2:07.
ExpertKipWatcher wrote:
Ido wrote:Why Farah never goes for WR?
He has speed, he runs sub 3:30 for 1500. Why doesn't he tries to go for WR on 5000 and 10000?
He never tries that on the diamond league
Records are temporary, medals are permanent.
I've always felt contrary to this claim. When you break a record, your name goes down in the books. Even if the record is broken, people are still likely to remember you because how often are records broken?
When you get a medal, unless it's a gold or silver in a big name race like the Olympics or World Championships (once every 4 years or every other year), who is going to remember you? Not many people.There's ample time between those championships to try for records. Bolt is remembered because of his records. Gebrselassie is remembered because of his records. Rudisha is remembered because of his records.
Of course, Farah has won the above exceptions, but that doesn't apply to all.
Mo Farah's best chance for a world record is in the steeple.
Seriously, think about it.
3:28 guy with 12:4x ability. Very athletic, solid XC runner.
Deanouk wrote:
jjjjj wrote:Bekele was a shell of his former self by the time that Mo became a world beater (yet Bekele was able to beat him in a half marathon and also owns a 16 second gap over Farah in the 5000m and a 29 second gap in the 10000m, plus a gap of 5:18 in the marathon!). So, Mo has not had great competition. Yet, some of his competition, as up and down as they have been, were able to run 12:46/47 in Paris in 2012. The fact that he can run away from all of them at every championship and that he has run about 3 seconds faster in the 1500m than Bekele, while also running 59:32, suggests that he should be or should have been capable of running low 12:40s. However, guys like El G, Geb, and Bekele are wired differently than Mo. They are all winners, but the former have a drive to dominate and set world records, while Mo is satisfied with winning and setting British records. Webb had the drive to dominate and set records (American ones) but not the health or the race tactics to get the world championships and Olympic victories or world records. (he would surely have run 3:45 or better with that health). If Bekele is fully healthy next year, a world record in the marathon may be followed by 10000m gold but he'd have to have the sprint capacity back as well.
The reason El G, Geb and Bekele ran faster than Mo, is nothing to do with being wired differently; Mo is as ruthless as anyone; but rather they all competed at a time where there was an EPO free for all, followed by a few years of unreliable and irregular testing.
That's not saying that Mo is necessarily clean, but it's that much harder to dope heavily and get away with it.
I don't believe there is any IAAF cover up for Mo. Certainly not after the expose of 2015.
That also explains why they ran so much faster in the marathon 10 years ago. Oh, wait...
Deanouk wrote:
The reason El G, Geb and Bekele ran faster than Mo, is nothing to do with being wired differently; Mo is as ruthless as anyone; but rather they all competed at a time where there was an EPO free for all, followed by a few years of unreliable and irregular testing.
That's not saying that Mo is necessarily clean, but it's that much harder to dope heavily and get away with it.
I don't believe there is any IAAF cover up for Mo. Certainly not after the expose of 2015.
EPO tests were introduced in 2000, yet all these runners continued to be dominant after that. Bekele was in a top track shape till 2009 and even now he just ran an almost WR in marathon in accordance with his track performances. So unless you think Bekele dopes heavily now like in the golden years of the EPO era it is obvious to anyone that Bekele is simply much better and faster than Farah.
jjjjj wrote:
Bekele was a shell of his former self by the time that Mo became a world beater (yet Bekele was able to beat him in a half marathon and also owns a 16 second gap over Farah in the 5000m and a 29 second gap in the 10000m, plus a gap of 5:18 in the marathon!). So, Mo has not had great competition. Yet, some of his competition, as up and down as they have been, were able to run 12:46/47 in Paris in 2012. The fact that he can run away from all of them at every championship and that he has run about 3 seconds faster in the 1500m than Bekele, while also running 59:32, suggests that he should be or should have been capable of running low 12:40s. However, guys like El G, Geb, and Bekele are wired differently than Mo. They are all winners, but the former have a drive to dominate and set world records, while Mo is satisfied with winning and setting British records. Webb had the drive to dominate and set records (American ones) but not the health or the race tactics to get the world championships and Olympic victories or world records. (he would surely have run 3:45 or better with that health). If Bekele is fully healthy next year, a world record in the marathon may be followed by 10000m gold but he'd have to have the sprint capacity back as well.
Mate if Kipchoge was in the recent Berlin marathon and ran like he did in London he would've run 2:02.30 or better.
I predict here and now that Salazar will organize a serious attempt at a 10000M WR at next year's Prefontaine meet. Featuring Rupp and Farah along with some high level (and well paid) pace setters.