What about this:
"I have ran so fast under my Dad,.."
What language is that?
What about this:
"I have ran so fast under my Dad,.."
What language is that?
quackmires wrote:
As a HS coach I can tell you that, unfortunately, there are far too many HS coaches with egos out there that do not want a kid in your situation to be successful. You see the problem is that your coaching and commitment as a runner is far superior to your new coaches ability.
When a situation like this arises in HS an ego-centric coach will not allow it to continue as he will be exposed as a fraud and parents and other athletes will wonder why the kid not running his workouts and buying into his BS is far outperforming the ones that are.
Whereas a competent coach would encourage you to do whatever you felt was best for you and give you positive reinforcement and encouragement. Wanting you to succeed in everything and there to help if you need and request it.
I've had a number of privately coached kids in my program- and it was never an issue. Coaches that put kids first don't have an issue with this. In the end, I end up earning the kids and parents trust and I end up coaching the kid and saving the parents tons of money-- unfortunately there are coaches like your new coach that like to call kids names and demand allegiance so they are not exposed as frauds.
It's their protection mechanism, they can't allow you to run if you don't run their workouts.
Here's my advice- sit down with your new coach, tell him what you are going to do and what your goals are. If he is positive and supportive of your plan and just gives you some small advice or recomendations, you have misjudged the coach and continue on with your plan under the new coach. If he is not supportive of your goals, you simply need to continue on with your coach and do not let that new negative influence into your life. Your team is not competitive anyway (and never will be with an ego-centric coach as described), so go run open college races and plan on running your FL meet or NXN regional meet as your culminating event.
Good luck and if your love running try to walk on somewhere or run D3.
Thanks everyone for the advice. Really, means a lot.
Some really stood out like the one I quoted.
My situation is definitely not awesome. He's probably gunna be my coach for the whole year.
I think we are gunna meet with him and try to appeal to his ego. Hopefully he is understanding, and wants me to do well.
Worst case scenario I'll be ready for FL on my own. really hope it doesn't come to that.
Meeting with new coach is Monday.
Gold medal wrote:
Centro. Like father like son. You have never talked to him if you actually think Salazar is his coach.
You have not followed his career of you don't think Salazar is his coach. Either that or you think centro coached Rupp. Moron.
You're right, Peter Coe coaching his son Seb had disastrous results!
And Charlie Kern, now the head coach at York HS, is coaching his son, Charlie Jr. The younger Kern, a junior this year, is the top returning runner from the IL state meet last year. There is another Kern running as a frosh.
silly sally sullies sam wrote:
No parent should ever coach their kid - only egocentric parents would even want to do that to their kid. Train with the team and the "real" coach or quit running - those should be your only options. Too many entitled kids who think they deserve different treatment from everybody else - if the coach is good enough for everybody else on the team, they are good enough for you.
There can be exceptions. Sebastian Coe coached by Peter Coe is one that comes to mind. Worked pretty well, yes? And this runner claims to be top of the team. In Vermont we used to say if it works, don't fix it. :-)
I would not like that at all wrote:
FasttimesatHS wrote:The new coach was talking to my good friend, who is captain for the team and told him "that shit X does training by himself won't fly with me, he's either going to train with you guys or get kicked off the team"
The workouts would not phase me, as I could "adjust" any workouts to suit myself and do them my own way, i.e. convert them into something else entirely.
But yelling. trying to tell me when and where to work out, who to train with, trying to sabotage me behind my back and/or any other type of abuse would be totally not acceptable.
I would report him for abuse, and continue to do things my own way.
Wouldn't PHASE you? Lol.
silly sally sullies sam wrote:
No parent should ever coach their kid - only egocentric parents would even want to do that to their kid. Train with the team and the "real" coach or quit running - those should be your only options. Too many entitled kids who think they deserve different treatment from everybody else - if the coach is good enough for everybody else on the team, they are good enough for you.
Seb Coe was coached by his dad and it clearly led to his disastrous career. A perfect example of why it is impossible for a parent to coach their kid.
The posters telling you to sit down with the coach (which it sounds like you're doing) are correct.
When I was helping with a hs team, we had a guy that was clearly better than everyone else, and his parents wanted to discuss our training plans before his senior year. There had been some drama with private coaches on rival teams, so I was a bit nervous. We laid out our plans for him and the team, and they put in their two cents. Both sides adjusted accordingly, and everything ended up working out well for him (and the rest of the team) without any unnecessary fireworks. Best of luck.
Maybe you need to look at this from a coaching perspective.
You're old coach allowing you to isolate yourself from your team could be the reason nobody is anywhere close to your level.
As a coach I would not tolerate this either. When you build a program and have success as a team you have to consider the entire team in the equation. I would certainly have you doing workouts at the appropriate paces but you would be with your team.
I don't know your new coach but my response to you if your were joining my team is if you think your running well under dad wait to see how fast you can run under my guidance.
How do you know you're running well? I would challenge that.
You don't have to be be on a particular team to be a runner. There's more to life than taking it up the #$% by some jerkoff coach so that you can be allowed on a highschool or college team.
Sage Canaday for example is doing his own thing and making an interesting running career out of his life. Nothing stops you from doing the same sort of thing.
otter wrote:
As a coach I would not tolerate this either. When you build a program and have success as a team you have to consider the entire team in the equation. I would certainly have you doing workouts at the appropriate paces but you would be with your team.
So.... wrote:
If you have to, just run your main workouts in the morning and do his stuff in the afternoon. Doubles are the key to getting around bad coaching
What?????
silly sally sullies sam wrote:
No parent should ever coach their kid - only egocentric parents would even want to do that to their kid.
Matt MF Centrowitz.
I recommend quitting the team and having your father continue coaching you. Your father probably knows more about you than you. This new coach doesn't know you from Adam. If you do your dad's workouts and the new coach workouts (easy), it may be too much mileage. Or your father may have to adjust his workouts with less mileage or a reduction in intensity.
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BigTimeRetiredCoach wrote:
The posters telling you to sit down with the coach (which it sounds like you're doing) are correct.
When I was helping with a hs team, we had a guy that was clearly better than everyone else, and his parents wanted to discuss our training plans before his senior year. There had been some drama with private coaches on rival teams, so I was a bit nervous. We laid out our plans for him and the team, and they put in their two cents. Both sides adjusted accordingly, and everything ended up working out well for him (and the rest of the team) without any unnecessary fireworks. Best of luck.
Oh, look, a sensible adult amidst the entitled millennials!
Senior Software Engineer wrote:
You don't have to be be on a particular team to be a runner. There's more to life than taking it up the #$% by some jerkoff coach so that you can be allowed on a highschool or college team.
Sage Canaday for example is doing his own thing and making an interesting running career out of his life. Nothing stops you from doing the same sort of thing.
Up the #$% ? How is that happening to the OP? He has made no case that the new coach isn't excellent, just that OP likes his private coach and thinks he's too good for the team.
Ever hear of Hendrick Ramaala? Trained with club runners. 2:06. 2nd in NYCM (to Paul Tergat).
xcyclist wrote:
It's your life and running career so do what you think is best. The coach is a public servant paid to help you, not your employer. Cross country is not a team sport and I doubt he can prevent you from participating if you push it.
He certainly can. Are you in the US?
assessment wrote:
How is that happening to the OP? He has made no case that the new coach isn't excellent
Read the comments, and think, before posting.
So we have a situation where you are running well training on your own and your new coach doesn't want you to train on your own.
Do you like running high school XC?
If so, give the new coach a shot and run with the team. Train hard.
If it doesn't work out you can leave and run road races for fun under your own training.
I hate to see coaches ruin kids' interest in running for their own selfish control issues.