re-test Bekele's blood n urine sample immediately

typical progression wrote:

Didn't we all reduce our times that much between those ages?

Did I drop my 5K by around a minute from age 18 to 22? Yes. But my PR after the massive improvement was still about 1:45 slower than Bekele's.

Timewise..... Maybe. If you change the time decrease to a percentage of total time..... No. It makes it even more unbelievable when you consider how fast he was prior to the improvement.

correction: (testosterone gel 1% or 1.62% versions)

OK?

Have a nice day.

Team and contact

The REDs is part of the Faculty of Social and Political Sciences (SSP) at the University of Lausanne. It’s operational organization is structured around a steering committee consisting of a center director, a representative from the Institute of Sports Science University of Lausanne (ISSUL), a representative of the Center Hospital University Vaudois (CHUV), and a representative of the faculty of law, criminal sciences, and public administration.

Direction of the REDs :

Prof. Martial Saugy

Research manager :

Dr. Raphael Faiss

Research manager ( Faiss ) publishing sprint training in hypoxia.

I believe that Sunder Nix trained that way for the 84 Olympics.

aduck2022 wrote:

1.

if not for recent peptide igf-1 lr3

would consider the best ped that has excisted to date ........micera

micera/ cera was dissed out to select few , many years before

even approved for market . approx 2002

just like growth hormone found hands into carl lewis and sprinters around

california area before that californian company released properly

and issued in the next paradigm shift in sprints , before epo and sprints being the next with sprint endurance.

by itself hgh useless but if can combine with steroids then sprinters

started to find 1-2 meters extra in 100m

.............

Interesting, I suspected that there are pharmaceutical companies out there that realize that there is money in pro sports so long as there products had 'an extra general public use.'

West coast sprinters were dirty in the 1980s, so it amazes me that times have kept on improving, they had to be on something given the levels of testing.

This the first I have heard that hgh is useless by itself.

Bekele was definitely on the sauce, no debate there.

Alan Webb, are you sure?

Geb, yeah what a scam.

Wariner and Richard's? EPO? Probably a microdosed cocktail.

Shaheen, when a runner moves to Bahrain or Qatar etc it says 'they are on something.'

Mottram, I don't believe it. I have friends in Melbourne running circles and they told me to watch out for him long before he arrived on the world scene. He has always been good at the mile, just not other events.

aduck2022 wrote:

3.

importantly

Ramzi , who was the only athlete burned by iaaf but on condition

keep quiet and could keep his world titles

all other athletes were warned to be off stuff afew months by summer 2008

so iaaf definitely invovled ,obviously...

and why no retro test for this stuff at time

given rubbish story that wasnt on market but ramzi still destroyed field

at 2007 worlds

so wouldnt test it as TBTF athletes like bekele gone but

as know now, with iaaf/wada all this doesnt matter ,

can cover up whatever want regardless.

how can you compete with athlete on this stuff

no need for pacers .............

You do have wonder if there is some sort of cover up going on.

Dr. Saugy is also going to be on some panel…I think at the CAS…which is not good…but his evil powers will at least be partially stopped by the other members on the panel... who are not as evil as Dr. Saugy.

Dr. Saugy is not going to be doing evil things any longer at the Lausanne WADA lab.

I am still counting this one as a win.

OK?

http://www.roche.com/media/store/releases/med-cor-2006-07-17.htm

It was approved for use in November, 2007.

http://www.medilexicon.com/drugs/mircera.php

Mircera (CERA=Continuous Erythropoietin Receptor Activator) has a very long half-life about 20x longer than EPO and is not good for doping…since the window for detection will be large. Ramzi lost his gold medal in the 1500m for it. It has no more effect than any other form of EPO.

The a duck guy is wrong. All forms of EPO do the same thing. They just have different strength, doses, and dose schedules. A person can increase their hemoglobin levels just as much with old EPO as any of the newer longer acting versions…and with much less chance of it being detected. Sometimes old school methods are better!

The development of HIF stabilizers such as Fibrogen's FG-4592 do the same thing as EPO in an oral form…so no more injections will be needed. It is in phase 3 studies now. Already, 2 CYCLISTS have tested positive for it and it is not even approved for use or sale in the US at this time.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22362605

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26808067

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27346747

Amgen developed EPO as a drug back in 1986 to 1987. Amgen was also the sponsor of the Tour of California. I always thought it was hilarious that most of the riders were using Amgen's product while cycling in Amgen's race…and everyone smiled.

In conclusion:

There is nothing to see here.

Please go back to sleep and have nice dreams.

(Pro cycling is still a total joke. They are human lab rats.)

Have a nice day……..fred.

(You can't fool me Mr. Smarty Pants!)

What do you think professional sponsored athletes get paid to do? It's to make money for their bosses, and that's it. The primary way they do that is to draw positive attention to as many money-spending people as possible. The way they do this is either by setting records or by winning major races. Unless there is profit to be gained by a big entity or corporation, uncovering a possible cheated world record in track that happened over 10 years ago would be a joke to the powers that be. They don't give a crap.

And of course, the coolest doping method ever developed in the entire history of planet earth (except for Atlantis…we had some really cool stuff back then!): Inhalation of the noble gases xenon or krypton (also the name of my former home planet…before I came to your planet.)

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26939898

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24861600

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27001214

Doping tests have to be developed for the detection of xenon and krypton noble gases…because humans on this planet... are even going to DOPE HORSES with xenon and krypton noble gases.

WOW.

Are you kidding me?

Really?

Yes. Really.

(Incidentally, doping horses with xenon and krypton…comes way after the doping of Russian CYCLISTS with xenon and krypton…which follows the usual pattern.)

In conclusion:

1) CYCLISTS WILL TRY ANYTHING FIRST!!!

2) PLEASE STOP IT HUMANS!!!

(Oh boy humans.)

Mate, probably best to stay away from Krypton in our language it is not called doping it is call blood letting.

rjm33 wrote:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26939898

How much exactly did epo levels rise in this study? 45% after 24 hours is this correct or am I reading it wrong?

Innocent athletes with "false positives" will suffer reputational damage, as the public will not believe they are being told the truth.The athletes who released the data caused reputational damage to the other athletes who chose not to.Another good reason to not release data, is the false promise that this will reduce suspicion. Mo released his data -- how did that work for him?Mo Farah authorized the Sunday Times to release all of his blood values in the leaked database. There were 20 points, spanning 2005-2012, of very ordinary off-scores ranging between 65-97. 11 of the points covered 18 months from Jan. 2011 to June 2012. An off-score of 97 is well below the sea-level altitude of suspicion for men, and the whole profile is something that looks very ordinary (not to mention Farah's winning times are also ordinary).Despite every documentary bending over backwards to say "we got nothing on Mo", did 100% transparency reduce the level of public suspicion for Mo?

point of order wrote:

The athletes who recently released data didn't suffer any reputational damage.

Yomif Kejelcha has suspiciously NOT progressed. He ran 12:58 when he was 17, but only improved to 12:53 by 18. Then he quickly went downhill and failed to run sub 13 this year.

Now he is 19 and all he has done so far is come in 7th at Zurich with a 13:19 behind the kickless Evän Jager. At this rate he'll be slower than Ayana by the time he's 23.

I suspect Kejelcha is not doping. I guess he doesn't want to win. Go figure.

Bad Wigins wrote:

Yomif Kejelcha has suspiciously NOT progressed. He ran 12:58 when he was 17, but only improved to 12:53 by 18. Then he quickly went downhill and failed to run sub 13 this year.

Now he is 19 and all he has done so far is come in 7th at Zurich with a 13:19 behind the kickless Evän Jager. At this rate he'll be slower than Ayana by the time he's 23.

I suspect Kejelcha is not doping. I guess he doesn't want to win. Go figure.

-4.7/10

What was his most recent 3,000m time?

Ta.

Bad Wigins wrote:

Yomif Kejelcha has suspiciously NOT progressed. He ran 12:58 when he was 17, but only improved to 12:53 by 18. Then he quickly went downhill and failed to run sub 13 this year.

Now he is 19 and all he has done so far is come in 7th at Zurich with a 13:19 behind the kickless Evän Jager. At this rate he'll be slower than Ayana by the time he's 23.

I suspect Kejelcha is not doping. I guess he doesn't want to win. Go figure.

That guy has to be older then what he is claiming. If he is telling the truth about his age he must've been running sub-15 minutes for 5k at about age 13.

WADA and UKAD advice wrote:

Innocent athletes with "false positives" will suffer reputational damage, as the public will not believe they are being told the truth.

The athletes who released the data caused reputational damage to the other athletes who chose not to.

Another good reason to not release data, is the false promise that this will reduce suspicion. Mo released his data -- how did that work for him?

The only athlete who suffered reputational damage by not releasing data was Paula Radcliffe. Her decision not to release data contradicted her previous stated position on the matter and was suspicious in the circumstances.

Mo Farah suffered no reputational loss through the release of blood data .

he is probably 23 and peaked this year with his 7:28 clocking.

yyy wrote:

he is probably 23 and peaked this year with his 7:28 clocking.

Yeah, just look at some of the pics on the net, he looks really old in some these and they could be a couple of years old.

Rater of Bads wrote:

Bad Wigins wrote:

Yomif Kejelcha has suspiciously NOT progressed. He ran 12:58 when he was 17, but only improved to 12:53 by 18. Then he quickly went downhill and failed to run sub 13 this year.

Now he is 19 and all he has done so far is come in 7th at Zurich with a 13:19 behind the kickless Evän Jager. At this rate he'll be slower than Ayana by the time he's 23.

I suspect Kejelcha is not doping. I guess he doesn't want to win. Go figure.

-4.7/10

What was his most recent 3,000m time?

Ta.

a 7:28 3000 is worth about a 13:02 5000. He peaked at 12:53 at 18, then when he turned 19 he started declining real fast.

Same thing happened to Mary Cain and Jim Ryun. Teenage phenoms burn out real quick.

But what I'm mostly saying is he's obviously not doping if he's running a 13:19, now is he? So quit trying to confuse the issue.