Official Heps 2016-2017 XC/TF Discussion Thread

Perhaps the coolest Heps related story is that Cornell freshman Taylor Knibb won the world junior triathlon championships yesterday.

http://www.slowtwitch.com/News/U.S._stars_Hindman_Knibb_top_Juniors_6019.html

Now that that's accomplished, don't be surprised if she joins the Big Red top 5 in xc as she's a big talent.

rojo wrote:

Perhaps the coolest Heps related story is that Cornell freshman Taylor Knibb won the world junior triathlon championships yesterday.

http://www.slowtwitch.com/News/U.S._stars_Hindman_Knibb_top_Juniors_6019.html

Now that that's accomplished, don't be surprised if she joins the Big Red top 5 in xc as she's a big talent.

The silver medalist - Lisa Tertsch - goes to Harvard.

The other Cornell rookie - Kyleigh Spearing - finished 9th.

And there was a Brown rookie in the men's competition - Oliver Blecher - who finished 6th overall.

Cornell women were at a mostly D3 meet at URochester today:

http://uofrathletics.com/custompages/UR%20CROSS%20COUNTRY/2016/2016YellowjacketInvWomensInd.html

http://uofrathletics.com/custompages/UR%20CROSS%20COUNTRY/2016/2016YellowjacketInvWomensTeam.html

Looks like the race was close until the gun went off, then Cornell drew away. Did not attend and don't know whether they were just after a good pack run or what. Anyway, looks like a pretty good deep group.

I scored Heps XC with one point for first...

Last 3 yrs:

Col-8

Prin-8

Penn-11

Dart-13

Corn-13

Yale-13

Har-18

Bro-24

Last 6 yrs:

Prin-11

Col-15

Dart-21

Corn-27

Penn-30

Yale-32

Har-36

Bro-44

Last 10 yrs:

Prin-16

Col-24

Dart-38

Corn-40

Penn-55

Yale-58

Har-61

Bro-67

Last 16 yrs (this century):

Prin-36

Col-41

Dart-48

Corn-79

Bro-87

Penn-89

Yale-94

Har-100

Who will win this year?

Princeton has a group of freshmen that could almost contend (but it always seems that way)

5-6 teams have a legitimate chance.

Murimi!!!! *Insert worlds longest yeah boo!!* look out for this frosh he's a stud!

"Bold prediction": the Ivy League will have 3 schools ranked in the top 30 by the end of the year

rojo wrote:

The big surprise of the weekend had to be the Dartmouth men beating nationally ranked Providence and Arkansas in Boston.

We have a recap of that meet here:

http://www.letsrun.com/news/2016/09/battle-beantown-no-3-providence-women-roll-unranked-dartmouth-men-upset-no-20-providence-shorthanded-no-6-arkansas/

I'd caution against hopping on the Big Green train on the basis of Beantown. Hard to compare XC times year-to-year given weather changes and race strategy (but I'd argue that a fast 2015 and a slow 2014 represent a good range) but their results are pretty in line with Ivy performances at this meet over the past few years:

2016

Dartmouth: 24:29, 24:34, 24:41, 24:43, 24:44 = 2:03:11, 40 pts

2015

Dartmouth: 24:11, 24:17, 24:21, 24:24, 24:27 = 2:01:42, 67 pts (6th at Heps)

Cornell: 24:04, 24:17, 24:28, 24:33, 24:37 = 2:01:59, 93 pts (4th at Heps)

Harvard: 24:28, 24:35, 24:47, 24:50, 24:52 = 2:03:33 172 pts (7th at Heps)

2014

Dartmouth: 24:53, 24:59, 25:02 25:09, 25:11 = 2:05:14, 142 pts (4th at Heps)

Harvard: 24:45, 24:59, 25:01, 25:31, 25:32 = 2:05:48, 179 pts (7th at Heps)

Columbia: 24:54, 25:05, 25:18, 25:18, 25:23 = 2:05.58, 182 pts (6th at Heps)

Depth was a lot less (see point totals) rather than the team being a lot better IMO.

runwild7 wrote:

"Bold prediction": the Ivy League will have 3 schools ranked in the top 30 by the end of the year

Men, women, or both?

Technically, four of the women teams were among the pre-season top 30: Princeton, Penn, Harvard, and Yale, while Columbia and Brown received votes.

Was referring to the men, don't know as much about the women.

New NCAA rankings came out today. On the men's side, Columbia is ranked 25, Penn is at 28, Dartmouth receiving 30 votes, and Princeton receiving 8 votes. A little surprised to see Columbia ranked 25th, didn't think they've done too much this early in the season yet. Dartmouth with a huge jump after a great weekend. Men's Ivies looking deep this year with 2 teams ranked and 2 getting votes so far. I know it's early but still nice to see.

Meanwhile, three women teams continue to be ranked - Penn (#22, up 1), Yale (#23, up 6), and Harvard (#27, down 1), while Princeton (#31, down 9), Cornell (#39), Columbia (#40), and Dartmouth (#45) are receiving votes. Brown is no longer receiving votes in the poll.

Seriously: 7 of the 8 women's teams receiving votes to some degree? Not too shabby! How many other conferences can show over 80% of the conference getting votes in the national coaches poll?

I feel Princeton got dinged quite a bit since they did not run Curham and Bird for HYP, as Harvard only dropped one position with the coach saying they rested 3 of their top 5 for the race. I bet Princeton will jump back into the rankings in October once Curham and Bird are racing again.

Does anyone what kind of shape Curham is in?

Seriously? No chatter about the Short meet?

guess not

Poison Ivy wrote:

Does anyone what kind of shape Curham is in?

Heard that Curham is out for the year(?) with a sacral stress fracture.

That's no better than third-hand news, so take it with a couple extra grains of salt. A real shame, if true.

If Curham or Bird are going to run, I would expect for them to debut this weekend at the Wisco Invite. Major Kolas points if the team does well, especially if they best Yale in the process (who is on quite a roll this year).

I hope Yale doesn't implode like they did in 2012.

Nice post.

Here are the results from today's Wisco meet with just the Ivy LEague teams listed.

Ivy League only results.

Team Finish Score Through 2 , 3, and 4,

Penn 41 3, 4, 5, 7, 12, 13, 19 7 12 19

Columbia 45 2, 8, 10, 11, 14, 15, 16 10 20 31

Princeton 51 1, 6, 9, 17, 18, 20, 21 7 16 33

Ivy Place Actual Place Name Year School Time Pace

1 19 Conor Lundy FR Princeton 24:18.4 4:54

2 34 Jack Boyle SR Columbia 24:27.2 4:56

3 46 Brendan Shearn Penn 24:33.3 4:57

4 56 Nicholas Tuck Penn 24:39.3 4:58

5 103 Christopher Luciano Penn 25:02.6 5:03

6 119 William Paulson JR Princeton 25:11.9 5:05

7 124 Christopher Hatler Penn 25:13.8 5:05

8 125 Max Norris SR Columbia 25:14.6 5:05

9 126 Noah Kauppila JR Princeton 25:16.1 5:05

10 128 Brian Zabilski SO Columbia 25:17.6 5:06

11 130 Tal Braude SO Columbia 25:18.2 5:06

12 159 Ross Wilson Penn 25:35.7 5:09

13 164 Patrick Hally Penn 25:43.9 5:11

14 165 Ryan Thomas JR Columbia 25:46.0 5:11

15 167 Spencer Haik JR Columbia 25:48.5 5:12

16 181 Rob Napolitano SR Columbia 26:32.8 5:21

17 183 William Bertrand SR Princeton 26:33.5 5:21

18 187 Garrett O'Toole JR Princeton 26:43.6 5:23

19 188 Kevin Monogue Penn 26:47.5 5:24

20 189 Perrin Hagge FR Princeton 26:47.9 5:24

21 198 Wolfgang Beck JR Princeton 28:06.0 5:40

No Sum or Spiezio for Princeton? Both ran well at this meet last year as freshmen

No Ritz for Columbia?