I saw some runners in preliminaries who will never make the final that were plausibly clean.
I saw some runners in preliminaries who will never make the final that were plausibly clean.
Luv2runDC wrote:
Allyson Felix
Tiana Bartoletta
Torie Bowie
Delilah Mohammed
Kendra Harrison
Kirani James
EASY!! ALL NO WAY!!
800 mann wrote:
Olympic Truth wrote:Bolt no chance beyond the obvious. Look at him in late 2006 on youtube he lost to Gay, he was crushed then less than 2 years later BOOM 19.3 and all the weight gain. Again on youtube he gained like 40lbs in 6 months. They show him in Jan. skinny! Then winning the gold in London. But that's easy.
Unreal progression is the easiest way to tell. But they have ways of dodging that...aka MJ, Carl all took a year off then drop the time. Still MJ went from a 21. in high school to 19. (i think) in his soph. year.
anyone 10.1 or better consistent dirty; There should be a steady improvement from the beginning of the year etc.
Many guys grow and have significant physical maturation from ages 19 --> 22. Look at Bolt at 19 (in 2006) or WVN 3 years ago--they look like kids, and they still ran 20 flat and 45 flat respectively. Not saying "fast as a kid = no doping as adult" (the Marion Jones fallacy) but just trying to illustrate that these guys were fast long before they were at their full adult sizes.
As a result of the physical growth many guys go through at that age, improvement from late teens --> early 20s is generally exponential, not linear.
Training is also done in cycles. It's not uncommon for sprinters to have big breakthroughs in championship races following periods of good training; they have competition pushing them and they're perfectly peaked. In the sprints, steady improvement from start to finish is less common than fairly consistent times followed by breakthroughs, and it's due to training periodization and timing of peaks.
These are valid points for an athlete at a lower, but at the world level and then the elite level it does not transfer. You are taking a high performing teen then saying because of age they get faster exponentially. In addition, the drops are still unreal. Can you name another athlete even close besides the young drug takers in Jamaica.You can't. I tried. The young guys running 45 like the 2 kids in Jamaica have unreal drop like 2 seconds in less than a year. They are using.
Big breakthroughs are not that common without drugs use. You don't have a PR of 10.1 go and train clean for 6 weeks and then immediately start running 9.9. If you read published books on training blocks from admitted users like Ben Johnson, Desai, Carl etc. they still started off close to where they left off and dropped from there. And they were using- steroids only, Now with have so many designer drugs. These massive drops started happening with the addition of HGH into the camps.
If you're going to accuse every single athlete from a developing world country of doping solely by merit of them being from a developing world country then you're never going to enjoy the sport.
Honestly i don't get the whole point of this thread; you just sound kinda bitter. Are there some athletes out there doping? Absolutely. But what kind of sick validation do you get from calling out athletes such as Felix who have done basically everything in their power to make it clear that they're clean?
The OP has no actual firsthand knowledge regarding many of the people being mentioned. He just has a thesis he's going to stick to, period. He flatters himself. This is a waste of time.
All medalists dope.
All Olympic sprinters are dumb and base their lives on their delusional fallacies.
Olympic Truth, are you a former Olympic sprinter?
BoneHawk wrote:
I would put a lot of money on Nick Willis being clean
It didn't even take 3 minutes. Wikipedia
Over a 66-day period (15 May – 20 July) leading up to the Glasgow Commonwealth Games, Willis ran his best times over four different distances. Two of those runs doubled as new national records.[18]
He began with a time of 13m 20.33s over 5000m on 15 May. On June 11 he became the second New Zealander after Sir John Walker to break 3m 50s over a mile when finishing second at the Bislett G
Willis won the 1500m silver medal in the 2008 Summer Olympics. He originally placed third but the eventual disqualification of Rashid Ramzi due to a positive drug test saw Willis's bronze medal become a silver one, which he received in 2011.
So he is totally clean and he just barely lost to a none cheat. Set 3 national records in 2 months.
I'll bet OVER $10,000. This plus his 329 PR. It's not even a fair bet HE IS DIRTY.
pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:
I saw some runners in preliminaries who will never make the final that were plausibly clean.
probably some 1 or 2 in semis too but I'm trying to figure out who.
They are all clean unless it comes out that they aren't. Sorry but you are just trying to argue by using a "theory."
Doping Logician wrote:
All medalists dope.
All Olympic sprinters are dumb and base their lives on their delusional fallacies.
Olympic Truth, are you a former Olympic sprinter?
Sorry I was dreaming about a delusional fantasy. GO away
Doping through highschool is probably the safest time for kids to get on these drugs and come off them for a free education.
I have a gut feel that Eric Moussambani is cleans.
800 mann wrote:
If you're going to accuse every single athlete from a developing world country of doping solely by merit of them being from a developing world country then you're never going to enjoy the sport.
Honestly i don't get the whole point of this thread; you just sound kinda bitter. Are there some athletes out there doping? Absolutely. But what kind of sick validation do you get from calling out athletes such as Felix who have done basically everything in their power to make it clear that they're clean?
Do confuse truth seeking with bitterness. What in the world do I have to be bitter about?? I have a great life. She has not done anything to make it clear. Take a real test. She complied with the existing rules and smiled on camera.
Its ok that you don't get the point of this thread. You sound bitter about not being able to understand what's going on and you insult me in order to make yourself feel better.
Olympic Truth wrote:
Doping Logician wrote:All medalists dope.
All Olympic sprinters are dumb and base their lives on their delusional fallacies.
Olympic Truth, are you a former Olympic sprinter?
Sorry I was dreaming about a delusional fantasy. GO away
No need to apologize, friend.
Fantasies and fallacies are two different things. Your behavior is consistent with the predictions of the "All Olympic Sprinters are dumb" theory. We've got a good scientific theory going here. The scientific method is working well so far.
And, you dream about your delusions too, not just living them while you're awake. That's dedication!
800 mann wrote:
If you're going to accuse every single athlete from a developing world country of doping solely by merit of them being from a developing world country then you're never going to enjoy the sport.
Honestly i don't get the whole point of this thread; you just sound kinda bitter. Are there some athletes out there doping? Absolutely. But what kind of sick validation do you get from calling out athletes such as Felix who have done basically everything in their power to make it clear that they're clean?
Dude I'm accusing EVERY SINGLE elite athlete. I dont care where they are from. And I love sport. the races are awesome Centro killed it. Bolt is the best Olympian EVER!. I looking forward to DeGrasse and Brommel getting after it . Van Nekirk in the 400 OMGosh, I want the 42.
The truth about how they get there needs to be exposed. The public, people like you should know. But more importantly, I have coached and kids think that if they train hard and eat their vegetables-see bigger faster stronger. they will be a great runner. If Felix and others, mostly the IAAF AND IOC just tell the truth people can decide for themselves if they want to use. She is guilty of selling the fallacy. Which is lame and weak. There no need to keep doing stupid interviews. Do some, relish the moment, but that overkill gushing stuff for a total doper is bad. She is not Bolt. In the end these kids have come back to me a stop running in college because it either becomes obvious or they get their degree from the scholarship and move on.
Olympic Truth wrote:
800 mann wrote:If you're going to accuse every single athlete from a developing world country of doping solely by merit of them being from a developing world country then you're never going to enjoy the sport.
Honestly i don't get the whole point of this thread; you just sound kinda bitter. Are there some athletes out there doping? Absolutely. But what kind of sick validation do you get from calling out athletes such as Felix who have done basically everything in their power to make it clear that they're clean?
Do confuse truth seeking with bitterness. What in the world do I have to be bitter about?? I have a great life. She has not done anything to make it clear. Take a real test. She complied with the existing rules and smiled on camera.
Its ok that you don't get the point of this thread. You sound bitter about not being able to understand what's going on and you insult me in order to make yourself feel better.
You have overtly stated that every single olympic track medalist is cheating with zero basis beyond "they ran faster than everyone else" or "they improved from when they were kids to when they were adults." What you are doing is not "truth seeking"--it's slandering athletes for no apparent reason.
Felix voluntarily joined a USADA program that conducts random out of competition tests well beyond the norm required by USADA (google "project believe olympics" if you want more info on that). She has published full lists of all supplements she takes. I don't really know what more you'd want to be convinced that she's clean--would you like her to run slower?
Again, I'm sure some athletes are doping. If you really think every athlete is doping and it impacts your ability to enjoy track and field, then find a cleaner sport to watch. In the meantime, don't base frivolous doping claims on "[athlete] ran faster than other athletes."
Anyone consistently 10.1 or better is dirty? Are you out of your mind?
Next you'll be saying all sub-4 milers are dirty
Idontreallyknow wrote:
They are all clean unless it comes out that they aren't. Sorry but you are just trying to argue by using a "theory."
yes mostly only some fact. The test are a joke, so you have to have a theory on the athletes. And given your theory Lance and Marion are clean, OJ is innocent, etc. They never tested positive until well after. They both initially self admitted.
So my theory could be wrong, but the theory that the test work had already been proven wrong.
If you are in an Olympic final, you are a drug cheat. That may include all sports, certainly track and field, and swimming.
Olympic Truth wrote:
Metric Miler wrote:You are slow and bitter. I'm assuming you got stuck at 4:20 and think that nobody can go faster without drugs.
WHAT! You are weird. Who says what you just said? Why do you try and pick a fight or put someone else down? GROW UP. Or you cannot read very well. First of all I ran 4;18, I could care less if someone could run faster. I was horrible at the mile.
Iam assuming I can beat you at anything in life so you need to put me down to build yourself up.
Extremely ironic.
I need not say any more.