That is 99.85% when age graded
That is 99.85% when age graded
Actually, he doesn't train that hard. Everyone thinks he runs like 100> miles a week. He has had a steady progression for a couple of years now. Last winter he ran only 90 km a week, so I would assume he ran about 100-110 km/week this winter. He gets a lot of volume through aqua-running though.
Remember that Henrik ran 3:38.xx when he was 18, and he ran 3:31.46 in 2014, so if he follows in Henrik's footsteps, he has got a lot of improvement left.
fdsfjdklfn wrote:
Actually, he doesn't train that hard. Everyone thinks he runs like 100> miles a week. He has had a steady progression for a couple of years now. Last winter he ran only 90 km a week, so I would assume he ran about 100-110 km/week this winter. He gets a lot of volume through aqua-running though.
Remember that Henrik ran 3:38.xx when he was 18, and he ran 3:31.46 in 2014, so if he follows in Henrik's footsteps, he has got a lot of improvement left.
It's not really about the volume though is it. Nobody runs 3:42 off jogging x number of kilometres each week.
It is about the intensity. He has two older brothers that both run very fast times and train like professionals. It is not unreasonable to think he is doing some monster workouts.
Anyway, 60-70 mpw is a more than decent volume for a 15 year old. You won't find many of his peers doing that kind of mileage. Pro 1500m runners won't do much more and I'll bet the majority fall right around 70 mpw.
Metric Miler wrote:
fdsfjdklfn wrote:Actually, he doesn't train that hard. Everyone thinks he runs like 100> miles a week. He has had a steady progression for a couple of years now. Last winter he ran only 90 km a week, so I would assume he ran about 100-110 km/week this winter. He gets a lot of volume through aqua-running though.
Remember that Henrik ran 3:38.xx when he was 18, and he ran 3:31.46 in 2014, so if he follows in Henrik's footsteps, he has got a lot of improvement left.
It's not really about the volume though is it. Nobody runs 3:42 off jogging x number of kilometres each week.
It is about the intensity. He has two older brothers that both run very fast times and train like professionals. It is not unreasonable to think he is doing some monster workouts.
Anyway, 60-70 mpw is a more than decent volume for a 15 year old. You won't find many of his peers doing that kind of mileage. Pro 1500m runners won't do much more and I'll bet the majority fall right around 70 mpw.
That's true, but considering the success of Henrik and Filip, and how good a coach Gjert (their father) is, I highly doubt that he makes Jakob train ridicolously hard at the age he is now. And considering the level he's at, of course he is doing some monster workouts.
hansenbjorg wrote:
Give me a break. Does anyone really believe he is running these times without PEDs?
The scandinavian countries are renowned for PED use for athletics:
Paavo Nurmi (finland and who used bull testosterone in the 1920s), Lasse Viren, all the biathletes who have been caught
My gene pool isn't kenyan. We don't produce natural athletes like this.
THis kid is a 4:20 miler on microdoses of EPO and test.
MY gene pool is thousands of years of Vikings. Perhaps you forget that. MY gene pool has dominated Nordic skiing for decades. Also, do not lump Finns in with Norwegians. We are not even close to the same people regarding genetics. Norwegians are not "renowned" for what you claim.
GTvald wrote:
MY gene pool is thousands of years of Vikings. Perhaps you forget that. MY gene pool has dominated Nordic skiing for decades. Also, do not lump Finns in with Norwegians. We are not even close to the same people regarding genetics. Norwegians are not "renowned" for what you claim.
LOL. Norwegians dominate Nordic skiing like Americans dominate American football.
As far as I know, American football is almost only played in America. Nordic skiing is practiced by the whole of Scandinavia, Germany, France, Austria, Switzerland, Russia, Italy, Canada and USA. I'm not saying that it's a big sport, compared to running or chess (or whatever), but it is an international sport. Nevertheless, cross country skiers are the ones with the best endurance in the world. No other athletes measure higher scores of Vo2-max. Bjørn Daehlie measured a score of 96 (not sure about the unit).
good job norwegians! wrote:
GTvald wrote:MY gene pool is thousands of years of Vikings. Perhaps you forget that. MY gene pool has dominated Nordic skiing for decades. Also, do not lump Finns in with Norwegians. We are not even close to the same people regarding genetics. Norwegians are not "renowned" for what you claim.
LOL. Norwegians dominate Nordic skiing like Americans dominate American football.
American athletes caught for doping-Marion JonesTyson GayJustin GatlinButch ReynoldsMike RodgersLaShawn MerrittAntonio PettigrewCarl Lewis+ many moreAmerica is renowned for doping, doesn't mean every single decent American runner is on PEDs. How many Norwegian runners have been caught in the modern era? None that I'm aware of. By your logic Drew Hunter, Michael Slagowski, Grant Fisher and Donovan Brazier all must be dopers because America is renowned for doping
hansenbjorg wrote:
Give me a break. Does anyone really believe he is running these times without PEDs?
The scandinavian countries are renowned for PED use for athletics:
Paavo Nurmi (finland and who used bull testosterone in the 1920s), Lasse Viren, all the biathletes who have been caught
My gene pool isn't kenyan. We don't produce natural athletes like this.
THis kid is a 4:20 miler on microdoses of EPO and test.
fdsfjdklfn wrote:
Metric Miler wrote:It's not really about the volume though is it. Nobody runs 3:42 off jogging x number of kilometres each week.
It is about the intensity. He has two older brothers that both run very fast times and train like professionals. It is not unreasonable to think he is doing some monster workouts.
Anyway, 60-70 mpw is a more than decent volume for a 15 year old. You won't find many of his peers doing that kind of mileage. Pro 1500m runners won't do much more and I'll bet the majority fall right around 70 mpw.
That's true, but considering the success of Henrik and Filip, and how good a coach Gjert (their father) is, I highly doubt that he makes Jakob train ridicolously hard at the age he is now. And considering the level he's at, of course he is doing some monster workouts.
Yeah hopefully he doesn't get burnt out. I know that a sub 4 mile at 15 is something that Letsrunners get off on to no end, but I'd much prefer this kid gets stuck at 3:42 for the next couple years training sensibly and then develops gradually to win a major championship medal when he is 25.
Metric Miler wrote:
fdsfjdklfn wrote:That's true, but considering the success of Henrik and Filip, and how good a coach Gjert (their father) is, I highly doubt that he makes Jakob train ridicolously hard at the age he is now. And considering the level he's at, of course he is doing some monster workouts.
Yeah hopefully he doesn't get burnt out. I know that a sub 4 mile at 15 is something that Letsrunners get off on to no end, but I'd much prefer this kid gets stuck at 3:42 for the next couple years training sensibly and then develops gradually to win a major championship medal when he is 25.
I understand that youre sceptical, but Gjert Ingebrigtsen and the family is known for training smart, not hard. They don't do much anaerobic workouts. Theres a lot focus on threshold training. This year a tv show about the family has been on tv. They are constantly holding Jakob back. Only last year was he allowed to do more than 6 workouts. A lot of kids do several weekly activities over here, but few focus on one and traing smart for it. Thats what Jacob has done. He has done everything veeeryyy gradually and sensible.
Just watched his 1:52 half as a 14 year old and he looked like he had a lot left in the tank. Impressive, no doubt. Will be interesting to see what puberty does to him like it did to Mary Cain.
Cain and Abel wrote:
Just watched his 1:52 half as a 14 year old and he looked like he had a lot left in the tank. Impressive, no doubt. Will be interesting to see what puberty does to him like it did to Mary Cain.
Well, he's a boy, so puberty can't really do much to harm him. It might be that he's already into puberty and therefore won't increase by 20 seconds over the next year, like some 15 year olds, but of course progression is going to be somewhat slower once you're in the low-3:40s. Seems like he's doing well, his brothers show a path to success, and he's being coached smart. That bodes well for his future, and badly for his competitors.
douglas burke wrote:
[quote]Sayonara wrote:
Here is the UNDER 18 list, meaning an Athlete can NOT turn 18 in the Calendar year of the Performance. Jakob has the rest of this season and all of 2017 to be on this list.
http://www.iaaf.org/records/toplists/middle-long/1500-metres/outdoor/men/u18Jim Ryun is #22 at 3:39.00
Haha. Do any of those above Ryun have absolute proof of DOB? I thought not.
Metric Miler wrote:
Believe me, as a European, a sub 4 mile is well known as a high standard in athletics. Literally everyone who knows about running has heard of Bannister. It's not like the Scandinavians are unfamiliar with what a mile is.
I also lived in a "metric country" and I have lived in a few other countries, both metric and imperial.
The Scandinavians are well informed when it comes to athletics' performances.
But in my country, for example, I am sure that if I go to one of the top 10K road races and ask the top 50 guys (29:00 - 34:00) who Roger Bannister is and what he is famous for, I seriously doubt that 2 runners will know.
Don't agree that he's running too fast, too soon. This is an American belief founded by Bill Bowerman and his heard/easy approach that has produced one UO medalist in anything above 800 meters in the last 50 years.
Coe, Cram, Ovett, etc., were fast at this age ... not this fast, but fast.
The only thing worse than holding back would be joining the American collegiate system, which rarely produces any medal winners in the distances.
Wondering in the West wrote:
The only thing worse than holding back would be joining the American collegiate system, which rarely produces any medal winners in the distances.
As if the Euro club system is just racking up distance medals right now
What a bunch of nonsense that under 18 list is. Kemboi didn't run faster than his #1 time in the following two years. (Kwemoi has sub 3:29 as the under 20 record and he's not run that since). I'd wager there isn't a single non-age cheater ahead of Ryun other than Driouch and the Moroccans, but Driouch was dopings, the other Moroccan not named Iguider probably was, and Iguider hasn't been caught but his countrymen have a sorry record in this regard.
Didn't Cram run 3:57 at 17 or 18? I wouldn't worry too much about this kid. His father's obviously a great coach and getting Henrik to 3:31 is a major feat. Getting Jakob to 3:42 now and with the belief of going sub 3:40 this year at 15 is incredible for a nation with very few distance successes for several generations (Bakken (13:06) is the closest to the world class that I can think of going back to Grete Waitz and Ingrid Kristiansen's era.
jjjjj wrote:
What a bunch of nonsense that under 18 list is. Kemboi didn't run faster than his #1 time in the following two years. (Kwemoi has sub 3:29 as the under 20 record and he's not run that since). I'd wager there isn't a single non-age cheater ahead of Ryun other than Driouch and the Moroccans, but Driouch was dopings, the other Moroccan not named Iguider probably was, and Iguider hasn't been caught but his countrymen have a sorry record in this regard.
Agreed... this website of age records does list a Japanese guy who ran 3:38 at age 17. That is believable.
17 3:38.49 Kiyoharu Sato JPN 28 May 81 Nobeoka 22 May 99
http://age-records.125mb.com/I guess U18 means before the year in which you turn 18 so that is why Sato is not included.