Some friendly competition using Statman's PR lists

I'm in... but if you guys think your marathon times are slow I'm going to seem like a walker to you...

this is embarrassing because I've only been running for 4 years but here it goes:

5K - 19:06

8K - 31:18

10K - 41:31

Half - 1:28:21 (March 8, 2003)

thon - 3:30:38 (was on pace to run 3:08 and fell apart over the last 7 miles with bad cramps and muscle spasms)

I realize that considering my 8K time most if not all of my Pr's are soft, a lot of tough courses but I think most will fall in the next couple of months. I'm already registered to run the NYC Marathon in November

Pete wrote:

it's clear to me that if Average Joe trains properly for the marathon, he'll win the beer, as he's got about 20 minutes or so on the table, based on his 5k and 5 mile.

No offense, Joe, but I'm praying you start too fast and die in the 'thon. It's for BEER, after all.

None take, Pete. But that's what I've done the last two marathons. Not this time, baby. I'm gonna be very conservative the first 10 miles. Still there's no way I'll be knocking 20 minutes off 2:51. Hoping for 10 minutes off.

But I agree that percentage improvement ought to be the measure, not just plain minutes.

Hi, it's me again....

First off, congrats on you new guys (A_Goofy_Runner (Dude! No way!), Cowboy Runner (yee-haw), Average_Joe (brancing out to be above avg?), Old Guy II (thumbs down in the original name category), Ray (is he in or not?), and Mike Swift (real name?? WHOA!) who have the stones (or ovaries should any of be female) to simply say (anonymously, no less) that you plan on PRing (or otherwise improving) this year and are going for the coveted FU-REE BEER.

That brings us to the follow list of competitors:

me du-can

Pete Albany_runner

runna max power

danwelsh Sehon40

Flagpole A_Goofy_Runner

bmh Cowboy Runner

AH Average_Joe

Jim Fiore Old Guy II

Portland Runner Ray

Howdy Doody Mike Swift

kannapolis monkiefs

sjm1368

To bad Radcliffe didn't get in on the game... I bet she's kickin herself for her lost chance - just because she had NO CONFIDENCE!

For you masters / 50+ types... you will be given "master/veteran consideration". I don't know exactly what that means yet, but don't let back in the hey-day PRs keep you from signing up. Seriously.

Also, I am thinking that since the list is relatively short, perhaps there is a beer in it for anyone who simply improves (or runs well)? I don't know, I'll have to think on it. Of course, the no beer will taste nearly as good as the winning beer. Maybe if I could get the Brojos to make good on just a fraction of what they owe me, we can get a LR t-shirt to the victor as well? Again, I don't know perhaps I am too much of a dreamer.

Last little titbid, we ARE NOT going by % improvement or by total time improvement. If we were to go by % improvement, a 3:45 to 3:00 improvement in the marathon would be equivalent to going from a 4:10mile to 3:20 (that person may fall under suspicion of drug use and we don't want to drive anyone to that), or going from a 2:30 thon to 2:00 (again, a decent PR that would probably be enough to win this competition). It was suggested that we use the "v-dots" of Daniels' stuff (a chart that provides improvement equivalencies) to determine who wins.

If you're not on the above list, you should be ashamed.

Oops, the names got jacked up somehow... sorry for any unfortunate pairings. Supposed to have read:

me

Pete

runna

danwelsh

Flagpole

bmh

AH

Jim Fiore

Portland Runner

Howdy Doody

kannapolis

monkiefs

sjm1368

du-can

Albany_runner

max power

Sehon40

A_Goofy_Runner

Cowboy Runner

Average_Joe

Old Guy II

Ray

Mike Swift

Don't know how scientific you want to get in your "masters consideration" but perhaps you could use those WAVA tables for the masters runners in order to equate current performances with those set while younger.

WAVA is as good a "master's consideration" as any, I think.

Here's a calculator

http://www.runningnetworkarchives.com/okrunner/wava1.html

JEH,

I hate to be a party pooper, but right now I'm not a for sure go - Ran 2 miles, yest just 2 miles on Thursday and am still in pain. I'm going to have to shut it down for a long time I think. Of course with the injury comes the decrease in motivation, and right now I don't feel like training for a 5K let alone a marathon.

Who knows, I might be all turned around come June and decide to make a 4-month buildup run at it.

JEH, thanks for doing the list and creating a little more motivation for training. Personally, I'm going to stick to trying to improve my Master's times, but I have some fairly modest times to beat at 5k and up. I beat my best prior WAVA converted time by about 2% in my first 5k this season. I suspect that the WAVA tables are pretty generous after 50yrs old, and don't fully reflect the expanding pool of Masters runners and larger numbers of quality performances at that age.

On a related note, I noticed that 4 of the top 7 in the 55-59 age group at Carlsbad were from Colorado. I wonder if altitude training is more significant in maintaining aerobic capacity for older runners, or if it's just coincidence that there are a bunch of good older runners living in CO who came to the race?

Ok i'm in

Current

800: 2:00.8 1500: 4:10.5 3k Steeple 9:50 5k 15:30 10k 32:30

Goals 800: 1:58.2 1500 4:03 3k Steeple 9:35 5k 15:15

JEH,

Thanks for the invite. I'm in.

PRs-recent

5k-18:23

10K-39:55

Half-1:27:58

Marathon-3:19:30

JEH,

Just giving my spring update, as my season is now over. I was supposed to run a 5k up at PSU but the race got changed to a 3k, I did pr (ran 8:45, old pr 8:54). I won the race, not much competition, out kicked one of Rojo's boys.

Anyway at my conference meet I blew up. I had been running hard pretty much every day to get back in shape after injury, and it took its toll on my legs. I was supposed to run the 10 and the 5k, but after a disastrous performance in the 10 my coach pulled me from the 5. I killed our team. So that finshes off a terrible junior year.

Looks like I lose for now, but I'll be back in the fall (assuming I can stay healthy).

My update is so far, so good. 4 weeks ago I ran a 5k and was 36 sec. off my 5k PR. Last week I raced 8k and was only 22 sec. off my 8k PR. I'm 10 weeks into the Hadd approach and not starting any real anaerobic work until I start my 13th week.

My PRs are on Statman's list (wow, don't know how they got there?). Since I'm a newer runner (2-years), PRs come easy. I'd be willing to be handicapped to make it equitable. I'm reasonably assured to run 17:00 5k, 35:30 10k, 1:16 half and 2:40 marathon...if I better those marks, that'll be my "PR" for the game.

i'm in...

PR's are:

3km 8:36

5km 14:52

10km 31:56

5m(x)25:10

1/2m 1:13

OK OK I have neglected to put times on Statmans lists because I don't want to be last but what the hell. I have been working my ass off the last two years dropped a lot of weight and times 5K 28:30 - 20:05 Marathon 5:00 - 3:48 so for the sake of putting them out there - perhaps this gives me that extra little bit of motivation here we go... Please be kind I know they are weak

I have no intenention of doing anything below 800 so I won't bother with the old 100/200/300/400/400 IH/ and jump distances... ugh wouldn't even want to think about trying that

Distance Current PR followed by Goal..

800m 2:12 (can't find documentation on this I thought I ran faster but oh well) goal under 2:10

Mile 5:13 9th grade ran 5:45 indoors at the armory this year - want to get under this and at some point get under 5...

2 Mile track 10:59 - again 9th grade under would be great but where the hell am I going to find a 2mile track race

3000 track Ran 11:34 at the armory this winter under 11:00

5000 road Ran 20:05 First week of April I know I ran in the teens in a race or two in college but I have nothing to prove it sooo lets say first goal under 20 - but low 19 by end of season

10K road - Only ran one in my life 2 years ago so this one shouldn't count but its 56... I plan to obliterate this one soon

1/2 thon 1:43 - a couple of weeks ago going for close to 1:30 by end of year

marathon 3:48 - this year as well - fell apart that last few miles completely was going for 3:30 - I am signed up for NYC but not sure hwat I am going to do (look for another post on this soon) but yup I want 3:15 (qualifies me for Boston)

bunch of 3 - 5 mile races I need to get up as well

Oh well there we are its out there now

Kurt

don't feel bad bro... you're not far behind me and if you look at the names on the list verse all the people that post at least we're brave enough to list our times. I don't think there's anything wrong with aiming to improve no matter what your speed is. Good Luck and God Speed.

Thanks Mike! good luck to you as well... guess we will be seeing each other in November!

JEH,

i'm in, too.

after 3 years off from running due to injury, i'm officially back in the game as i just completed my first 20 mile, pain-free week.

since i've been off for so long, can i just shoot for a return to form? my PRs aren't that good, but i'm going to be limited in training, as i'm still babying my repaired achilles...

but i'll go out on a limb and say that i'm gonna take down my road 10k this year, and list my others just in case:

mile: 4:32

3000: 8:52

5000: 15:27

10000: 32:07

10k road: 33:20

15k (unofficial): 51:45

100k: yeah right!

health: check

motivation: check

soft PRs: check

let's roll!

Fellas, glad you all have signed up. If you haven?t already, post your times on Statman?s PR thread (see below) as he has kindly agreed to keep track of the PRs (and time improvements) when we notify him.

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?board=1&id=122163&thread=121222

A_Goofy_Runner, it?s difficult to achieve what you want in an injury shortened season? obviously. So, given the circumstances, it?s hard to complain about a PR. Regardless, I agree that things are looking up for you in the fall. Stay healthy.

AM Runner, I?m with Mike Swift? I like the attitude! Don?t think we?ll let you use that 10K, though.

Indeed, let?s roll!

Sounds good I will have to look up all of the rest of my times as well and throw them up there... Totally agree on the 10K although I am thinking about running one the first week in June so maybe I can reset it ther and then go from there...

Thanks for the little extra motivation there. Kick ass everyone!