are there more pros or cons to going vegan as a runner?

Your logic is flawed. You live within a Society in which everything is in excess. You think because you recycle you aren't exploiting the environment?

How about walk to work?

Well let's take your thinking a step further..

Let's stop reproducing

Let's stop living in houses

Let's stop wearing clothes

Let's stop farming

Let's stop living

The fact that you think you're doing good to the environment and all its creatures shows that you have a flawed sense of reality and lack the ability to recognize the truisms of life.

Either leave society and live in the woods or quit lying to yourself with your own self righteous indoctrination.

If we know we live in a society of excess, then shouldn't we change it (instead of continuing the excess which, I suspect, is another word for exploitation).

I can, in fact, answer your questions with honesty too:

You think because you recycle you aren't exploiting the environment? I do recycle, but do my best to use things/buy products that keep recycling to a minimum.

How about walk to work? I do not walk to work. And, there is no public transportation where I live.

Well let's take your thinking a step further..

Let's stop reproducing. I do not have children. My girlfriend & I already talked about adoption (if & when the issue comes up).

Let's stop living in houses. Hyperbole. But, I live in the smallest house possible (1 bedroom).

Let's stop wearing clothes. Hyperbole. But, one can wear organic & second-hand clothing. Oh, and not wear leather & other animal skins & pelts.

Let's stop farming. Hyperbole. I do have my own garden in my backyard. I compost too.

Let's stop living. Hyperbole. Perhaps it's about living the most conscious life as possible to help others (including humans, animals, & the earth).

I know you're simply trying to draw me into a confrontation. I never said I was self righteous or better than anyone (or anything else). It goes back to one of my original comments that we--all of us--have an obligation to make the world a better place for everyone & everything (including animals & the earth itself)...and that means we don't take advantage of/exploiting other people or animals or the earth.

H.S. Coach #8562 wrote:

[quote]Lomc wrote:

I know you're simply trying to draw me into a confrontation. I never said I was self righteous or better than anyone (or anything else). It goes back to one of my original comments that we--all of us--have an obligation to make the world a better place for everyone & everything (including animals & the earth itself)...and that means we don't take advantage of/exploiting other people or animals or the earth.

Have an obligation to make the world a better place?

That is a world without humans, so again back to my original comment about suicide.

Lomc wrote:

H.S. Coach #8562 wrote:

[quote]Lomc wrote:

I know you're simply trying to draw me into a confrontation. I never said I was self righteous or better than anyone (or anything else). It goes back to one of my original comments that we--all of us--have an obligation to make the world a better place for everyone & everything (including animals & the earth itself)...and that means we don't take advantage of/exploiting other people or animals or the earth.

Have an obligation to make the world a better place?

That is a world without humans, so again back to my original comment about suicide.

I guess you don't believe in making the world a better place. That's too bad. That viewpoint seems quite cynical (which makes your suicide comment all the appropriate).

As long as you are a consumer, which you are, you're overall effect on this planet is a negative one, so please quit lying to yourself.

And congratulations you've been brain washed by all of these overpriced "Eco-friendly" products when they have a similar carbon footprint per item they replace because they are produced in such small numbers. (If you need explanation just ask)

A human can't make the world a better place. We can only create and we create so people can consume. We push forward, we innovate, invent, and pollute. This is OUR nature, always pushing forward. Our mentality is a suicidal one. We will either be destroyed by nature (disease, weather) or will destroy it ourselves (nuclear war).

Ideally we should just stop, stop creating stop inovating and accept our current state (of technology) and be content. And preferably that should have been just before oil was discovered. Then i would agree with what you are saying. But you're naive to believe that humans are capable of doing what you're preaching.

Lomc wrote:

As long as you are a consumer, which you are, you're overall effect on this planet is a negative one, so please quit lying to yourself.

And congratulations you've been brain washed by all of these overpriced "Eco-friendly" products when they have a similar carbon footprint per item they replace because they are produced in such small numbers. (If you need explanation just ask)

So one should simply give up & embrace the exploitation of the earth...and the senseless slaughter of animals? That's a terrible way to exist.

I'm NOT brainwashed, I've made an educated decision to live a guilt-free life based on empathy & not cynicism. I will not kill animals for my dinner plate. I will not buy products that enslave children in 3rd World Countries. And, I will try to make this world a better place for the next generation.

But the human condition is one that NEEDS struggle, we need problems to solve and if don't have a problem to solve we actively create one. This is "society"

It's the constant up and down that we need, we are are not a species we are a disease

Lomc wrote:

we are are not a species we are a disease

WOW! That's the most apathetic & cynical thing that I've ever read. That reads like the mantra of Ted Kaczynski. (And, no, I am not calling you a serial killer.) I wish you well, my friend. I hope you realize the greatness of life & the weighty obligation we have to each other & to animals & to the earth.

I'm NOT brainwashed said the person who just bought 10.00 dollar seventh generation dish detergent.

Your attempt to make the world a better place by consuming is an OXY MORON

I bet you buy quinoa in bulk, care to research what that industry has done to the indigenous peoples of the Andes? It's all marketing and these eco friendly companies that you subscribe to are BIG business and are owed by the companies and people you loathe.

the difference between you and me is that I am a realist who accepts reality and your an idealist who lies to yourself.

Everyone know meat is bad and getting so defensive about it is weird

The difference in mentality between you and me is that I have accepted the harsh realities in life while you deny them. you will eventually learn to accept this or you can actively embrace it.

Ps. You can't fix something if you don't believe it's not broken

Yes and they ate meat for the first 80% of their life.

Marco brolo wrote:

Shinnyyyy wrote:

Biggest disadvantage is that you will look like a little weak pu$sy. Lol. I was vegan for a year and quit as i lost all my weight/muscle and my body composition was shit. Every vegan is a skinny as mofo who couldn't beat a hole in a wet bag. I suggest just dialing i your diet and keeping in some meat so your T levels aren't totally fcked into being a vagina.

https://www.instagram.com/the300poundvegan/?hl=enhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrik_Baboumian

Right...

Carl Lewis went Vegan which helped him trim down and win some medals and records.

Check out the book the Starch Solution if you want to figure out the right way to do vegan diet/lifestyle for an active runner.

Many people who say they were vegan or vegetarian didn't work for them usually under ate. You have to eat a whole lots more fruits and veggies to equal the amount of calories in the standard american diet of meat and diary.

But are there more pros or cons who are vegans?

Yeah but he said after a year he lost all muscle and all vegans are tiny.

False

What about the logistics of Veganism? Animal Products are more resource intensive and use more land when compared to many plant foods (even per calorie). Animal products are more water intensive and so much food that could help end WORLD HUNGER goes towards the billion of animals that are used merely for slaughter. ANIMAL PRODUCTS ARE NOT NECESSARY as we have proven, so WHY CONSUME THEM WHEN THEY HAVE A DELETERIOUS EFFECT ON THE ENIRONMENT AND HUMAN CONDITION? There is no way we can sustain this current lifestyle for long, especially with more and more countries getting Westernized and demanding more animal products just merely for pleasure.

Think about it