How fast could a top mid-d guy run 100m from blocks?

Top 400/800 types like Gray, Solomon, Berian, and Rudisha could easily run 10.7ish. Coe and Juantorena could probably have done the same.

Michael Granville ran 21.35 and that's 10.6/7 range.

Obea Moore who didn't concentrate on the 100m in high school ran 10.72 in his only 100m of the season as an underclassman.

http://archive.dyestat.com/?pg=us-2009-Indoor-Track-NIN-New-Bern-Feature

I don't know about 12.3. He ran only 1:54 in high school and is now running 1:45! You really think he went backwards in the 100, and by that much?

Not like he just ran sprints...he did everything from 100m to 5k!

What would Asabel Kiprop run? I'm thinking 11.4 for 100m but 21.7 for 200.

hitmonlee wrote:

What would Asabel Kiprop run? I'm thinking 11.4 for 100m but 21.7 for 200.

For comparison, Steve Ovett ran 11.5 in a race in 1978. He ran 22.9 for 200m, 47.4 in the 4 x 400m, and 4:08.1 for 1500m that same day.

coach d wrote:11.84 in high school and 11.3 now? More likely 12.3 now after the mid-d training.

Huh? Murphy was a 49/1:54/4:11 guy in high school; he was definitely doing mid-distance training.

Plenty of coaches in my area have their 1:55 - 2:00 guys (high schoolers) run an occasional 200 at a dual meet at some point in the season. Most of them run high 22s to low 23s. While these guys are more speed based--most of them can drop 50 second quarters--they're very much mid-d guys; they can do 4:35 miles and are solid scoring members on their XC teams. I'd estimate that most of these kids could run low 12s at worst in the 100.

At the professional level where you have guys running along the lines of 47/1:45, it's ludicrous to think there aren't 800 runners capable of very low 11s.

Here is your best example of a world class mid-d guy for 100 meters. There is none better, and he's still running!

Marcin Lewandowski:

PRs

100m: 10.64

800m: 1:43.72

also,

1500: 3:38

I ran 11.2 in high school and wound up running 1:49/3:42 for 8/15

I don't think I could run any faster for 100 in peak 1500 shape, if that.

Brandon Mcbride ran a 11.08 100m into a negative wind way back in 2010. Although it was before he started running the 800m, I doubt his speed has decreased much since. Speed doesn't disappear as drastically as many assume when you move up in events, especially when the athlete is at his prime. Often you are just losing the technique to sprint fast, rather than the fitness.

Recently I've been privileged to watch Canadian 800m Olympian Geoffery Harris train. While he is far from an A-list athlete, especially recently, simply watching him do a workout you can see the stupid amount of speed behind him. A lot of people don't understand the huge raw speed you need to run 1:45 and under for 800m.

You can have all the endurance and miles logged in the world, but if the fastest you can go is 12.0s for 100m flying, it is unlikely you'll ever be a world class 800m or even miler. Any Olympic level 800m would be able to go sub-11 with a bit of acceleration practice in the blocks.

http://www.all-athletics.com/node/451875

none better wrote:

Here is your best example of a world class mid-d guy for 100 meters. There is none better, and he's still running!

Marcin Lewandowski:

PRs

100m: 10.64

800m: 1:43.72

also,

1500: 3:38

I think this is pretty spot on. Most top 800 guys could break 11. In high school I ran 11.3, 23.5, 51.4, 1:59.9. In college I never ran the 100, but got my other times down to 22.5, 48.8, 1:52.4. I'm sure I could have ran around 10.9/11 flat. I always considered myself to have more speed than most 800 guys, but compared to top guys it was around the same. Having raced some top guys I can assure you that most of them could run 10 high. Remember we're talking about top mid d guys, not average college guys.

under siege wrote:

Bad Wigins wrote:

Van Damme could run probably about an 11 flat and then he could beat the crap out of the other 7 runners too.

What if Steven Seagal was running in the race too?

Then Van Damme would thank him during the post race interview. Because sprinters always thank god when they win, see.

I have a friend who ran 1.48.6 in college who could break 11 in the 100 in high school. It was 10.98 or so.

There's a dude I ran with back in the day who was a 21.4/46.9 guy, who ran a 10.71 the only time he ran the 100. He also ran a 1:51 leg on a 4x8. Dude had sick range, and like your example, he ran without blocks - he was 6'5" and ran from a football three-point stance.

But getting back to the question, based on that, I'm going to guess hand-timed it was something like 10.6.

none better wrote:

Here is your best example of a world class mid-d guy for 100 meters. There is none better, and he's still running!

Marcin Lewandowski:

PRs

100m: 10.64

800m: 1:43.72

also,

1500: 3:38

I think that 10.64 was proven to be from another Lewandowski on these boards a few years ago. I'm pretty certain that time credited to Martin is a mistake. I'll try looking it up later if i find the time.

Wow, you sure typed a lot to agree with what I already said.

I thought I responded to a poster called rcs fan! Or perhaps that is you too!

Yes, we do agree on a lot you (or he) wrote re the topic title.

What i was disagreeing with is the comment that Ivo Van Damme is 3 secs slower than the elites this thread was referring to. Factually that comment is false, as there is no one running 1:40.6. And the implication that 1:43.8 isn't elite is also nonsense.

Deanouk wrote:

none better wrote:

Here is your best example of a world class mid-d guy for 100 meters. There is none better, and he's still running!

Marcin Lewandowski:

PRs

100m: 10.64

800m: 1:43.72

also,

1500: 3:38

I think that 10.64 was proven to be from another Lewandowski on these boards a few years ago. I'm pretty certain that time credited to Martin is a mistake. I'll try looking it up later if i find the time.

Yes, the 10.64 is wrong.

sub 11 is easy for the top wrote:

none better wrote:

Here is your best example of a world class mid-d guy for 100 meters. There is none better, and he's still running!

Marcin Lewandowski:

PRs

100m: 10.64

800m: 1:43.72

also,

1500: 3:38

I think this is pretty spot on. Most top 800 guys could break 11. In high school I ran 11.3, 23.5, 51.4, 1:59.9. In college I never ran the 100, but got my other times down to 22.5, 48.8, 1:52.4. I'm sure I could have ran around 10.9/11 flat. I always considered myself to have more speed than most 800 guys, but compared to top guys it was around the same. Having raced some top guys I can assure you that most of them could run 10 high. Remember we're talking about top mid d guys, not average college guys.

First, that 100m is from another Lewandowski. Second you aint running 10.9 of a 22.5/48.8, training for mid-d, delusional.

Marcin Lewandowski is the exception rather than the rule.

http://www.iaaf.org/athletes/poland/marcin-lewandowski-204111

He never ran 10.64. The IAAF has it wrong. Jakub Lewandowicz ran 10.64 at the Polish Junior Championships the day and place that they IAAF lists Lewandowski's erroneous 10.64. They get it wrong from time to time.