Some thoughts on the Natasha Wodak situation?

Why doesn't everybody just speak the truth without beating around the bush.

Did a west coach athlete get screwed out of funding by people in the east with an agenda.

Her half time is 1:11. If she was at 67 would she get funded?

carding cheats out wrote:

The Athletics Canada committee, which includes Guelph coach Dave Scott Thomas, carded 5(!) 800m women who don't have Olympic standard, along with 2 that have standard. But they only carded 1 of the 2 10,000m women who have Olympic standard.

I guess, joke's on us haters when Canada puts 7 women in the 800m final later this year.

Can you list the 7 women and their times?

fred wrote:

Why doesn't everybody just speak the truth without beating around the bush.

Did a west coach athlete get screwed out of funding by people in the east with an agenda.

Her half time is 1:11. If she was at 67 would she get funded?

I don't think Canadian athletes can get carded in the Half Marathon; that hypothetical likely makes no difference on this or any carding decisions.

fred wrote:

Can you list the 7 women and their times?

Here are the carded athletes:

Here's the Canadian rankings:

Thank you

The problem is that in 2013 she came out of nowhere and set the Canadian 8k record. She was 32.

"Earlier this year, Vancouver’s Natasha Wodak exploded onto the scene with the fastest 8K by a woman in Canadian history."

So the selectors know this and it has an effect on their decision making.

The 8 carded athletes at 800 are under 30. Some have 54 or 55 speed at 400. Others have run 4:17 to 4:24 at 1500. So they have open ended possibilities for Canadian track, and time to work on it.

fred wrote:

The 8 carded athletes at 800 are under 30. Some have 54 or 55 speed at 400. Others have run 4:17 to 4:24 at 1500. So they have open ended possibilities for Canadian track, and time to work on it.

4:24 1500m, huh? If that's a reason to card someone over Wodak, I'd suggest going with Sheila Reid instead of multiple 2:0x 800m runners.

It boils down to the absurdity of carding multiple people who could, maybe, possibly, someday run Olympic standard over someone who just did and is fairly well ranked globally.

This isn't about an 8+ year carding commitment, it is about 1 year of carding money in an Olympic year for someone with Olympic standard. If the 4:24 woman drops to 20s to run 4:04 she can be carded in 2017.

fred wrote:

The problem is that in 2013 she came out of nowhere and set the Canadian 8k record. She was 32.

"Earlier this year, Vancouver’s Natasha Wodak exploded onto the scene with the fastest 8K by a woman in Canadian history."

So the selectors know this and it has an effect on their decision making.

What effect? Which part of the 2015-2016 AC carding criteria does this directly impact?

Does running fast over 8k hurt her, while according to you having run certain times over 400m should benefit an 800m woman?

Should Gollish not be considered because she exploded onto the scene similar to Wodak and they're the same age? Does Gollish have the option to move up in distance but, for some reason, Wodak doesn't?

please explain wrote:

fred wrote:

The problem is that in 2013 she came out of nowhere and set the Canadian 8k record. She was 32.

"Earlier this year, Vancouver’s Natasha Wodak exploded onto the scene with the fastest 8K by a woman in Canadian history."

So the selectors know this and it has an effect on their decision making.

What effect? Which part of the 2015-2016 AC carding criteria does this directly impact?

Does running fast over 8k hurt her, while according to you having run certain times over 400m should benefit an 800m woman?

Should Gollish not be considered because she exploded onto the scene similar to Wodak and they're the same age? Does Gollish have the option to move up in distance but, for some reason, Wodak doesn't?

Who is on the committee that decides who is carded?

When someone goes from nothing or nowhere to a Canadian record, is it important that there are intervening steps shown?

If there are no middle stages, what impression does it create in a selector's brain?

Go ahead, answer the question knowing what shite is going down in the world.

fred wrote:

When someone goes from nothing or nowhere to a Canadian record, is it important that there are intervening steps shown?

If there are no middle stages, what impression does it create in a selector's brain?

Go ahead, answer the question knowing what shite is going down in the world.

What difference do you see between the big jumps made by Wodak and Gollish? You were provided a link further up to AC rankings.

Gollish is carded in the 1500m, but does not have Olympic standard. Wodak is not carded in the 10000m but has Olympic standard and World Championship experience. They are the same age.

Go ahead, answer the question...

Hey dork, the complaining was about the 800 meter runners. I responded to that.

fred wrote:

Hey dork, the complaining was about the 800 meter runners. I responded to that.

Don't get upset, just let us know what difference you see between the big jumps made by Wodak and Gollish

Gollish, 1981, U of T, ran 2:02, 4:07, 16 and 1:12 last year.

The 800 is close to the other 800 carded runners, the equivalent of the 15 is a sub 4:30 mile. The 16 and 1:12 are slower than Wodak.

fred wrote:

Gollish, 1981, U of T, ran 2:02, 4:07, 16 and 1:12 last year.

The 800 is close to the other 800 carded runners, the equivalent of the 15 is a sub 4:30 mile. The 16 and 1:12 are slower than Wodak.

When you looked at the annual progression of Gollish, who turns 35 this year, and the annual progression of Wodak, who is the same age, what conclusion did you reach?

Carding Fiasco wrote:

Raced at Worlds. Only Canadian in the 10K. Wasn't able to get the carding criteria points for beating another Canadian in the race. There weren't any other Canadians to beat. Nobody else qualified. Only she did. Yup. She didn't get that point. Rocket scientists at work here.

She's the National record holder and she is going to the Olympics, but her own governing body won't support her.

While Cheat River athletes get made-up "bonus points" for racing in weak events.

What will they try next? wrote:

Is her name really nuh-TASH-uh? As opposed to Nuh-TOSH-ah?

I have never heard anyone pronounce that name like that.

Na-TASH-a is how we say it in Canada.

To us Na-TOSH-a sounds really trashy.

trashy sounding fits the situation

anndthan wrote:

fred wrote:

Gollish, 1981, U of T, ran 2:02, 4:07, 16 and 1:12 last year.

The 800 is close to the other 800 carded runners, the equivalent of the 15 is a sub 4:30 mile. The 16 and 1:12 are slower than Wodak.

When you looked at the annual progression of Gollish, who turns 35 this year, and the annual progression of Wodak, who is the same age, what conclusion did you reach?

1.Somebody in Toronto likes her. 2. She didn't come out of nowhere and run Canadian records. 3. She was a consultant and had some money. 4. She's willing to account for the last 10 years of her life. 5. She's got 3 or 4 degrees and her PR is better.

fred wrote:

1.Somebody in Toronto likes her. 2. She didn't come out of nowhere and run Canadian records. 3. She was a consultant and had some money. 4. She's willing to account for the last 10 years of her life. 5. She's got 3 or 4 degrees and her PR is better.

Wodak came out of nowhere but Gollish didn't!?!? Did you notice that Gollish's Athletics Canada rankings profile contains nothing prior to 2015, while Wodaks stretches back to 2010?

Wodak has Olympic standard and Gollish doesn't, but you think Gollish's PR is better!?!?

Keep this up and Athletics Canada will hire you to join one of their committees, which truth be told don't always read the applications submitted.