sock puppet runner wrote:
Sylvan rock runner wrote:Jogging starts at 8 or so min per mile. If your 5K or 10K paced are in that range or slower you are a jogger. The hobby part is more subjective and variable, so to each their own on that.
No. Anyone who doesn't get paid to run is a hobby jogger.
No. A 30 min 10K is running, a 55 min 10K is jogging. The hobby part is in the eyes of the beholder.
sock puppet runner wrote:
Sylvan rock runner wrote:Jogging starts at 8 or so min per mile. If your 5K or 10K paced are in that range or slower you are a jogger. The hobby part is more subjective and variable, so to each their own on that.
No. Anyone who doesn't get paid to run is a hobby jogger.
No. A 30 min 10K is running, a 55 min 10K is jogging. The hobby part is in the eyes of the beholder.
somebloke wrote:
'Bling'
Seriously, if I don't like the medal, I'm not running the race.
luv2run wrote:
confused carlton wrote:What's wrong with 10ks?
Why are you so obsessed with what others do that likely have no impact upon you?
It's important that people respect the effort he's put into his hobby. No matter whether they care to understand how his selfish endeavor benefits no one except himself, they must respect his hard work.
confused carlton wrote:
What's wrong with 10ks?
Most people want personal achievement. If you are a slow runner (and 99% of runners are SLOW), then the achievement is running far. Ultra running is a bit extreme, so they choose the most logical reachable goal, and that is a marathon. If you go from couch potato to running a 10k, no one gives a crap. Go from couch potato to marathon runner, and it's a bigger deal.
And, to be clear, this is a fine goal. Takes a while to properly train for a marathon, and they do it for fun, fitness, and camaraderie. When there are people who are members of the "Punxsutawney Groundhog Club's Inner Circle" who don silly attire and hold up a groundhog on Feb. 2 every year while reciting the worst poems every created by man, I will cheer on those who wish to push themselves physically. And, yes, even though it looks to you like they are barely faster than a walk, that is pretty much as fast as the vast majority of them can go.
Not everyone is a competitor. Some are there for the experience.
I LIKE big balls.
Ted Underhill wrote:
You can't complain that people are fat and lazy and won't get off their couch and then complain when they do because they have different goals and motivation than you do.
FALSE. Of course you can.
What, if someone is doing something you find silly, you then have to automatically approve of the next different thing they do, even if it's equally silly?
There is nothing inconsistent about finding "sitting on the couch" objectionable ... and also finding "minimum physical effort for maximum social media love" objectionable.
Why would we drop it as a pejorative? It IS a pejorative.Sure, every now and again someone comes along (in this case you) and tediously applies a literal parsing of the term. But just as not all girls who are friends are girlfriends, being an HJ doesn't just mean you J for an H.HJ has a specific meaning, which I established in a separate thread, strictly in the hopes we could end silly posts like yours.
big pig wrote:
Can we drop the term "hobby jogger" as a pejorative? 99.99% of the runners in the world are hobby joggers, most likely every person who has posted in this thread.
Let me help you with that analogy.5Ks are Pebble Beach. Play it and shoot 80, play it and shoot 180. Either way it's fine and no one really cares.Marathon is more like ... a 100 hole golf course, where for some reason we tell everyone who completes it is amazing, no matter how long it takes them. And there's a parade, and tutus, and afrowigs, and cowbells, etc etc etc.The fact that the latter doesn't actually exist should tell you something.
duffer wrote:
Would you rather play putt-putt or Pebble Beach?
It's as if your co-worker came in and said that he shot an 80 at the local golf course and then you chimed in and said you scored a 25 on a putt-putt course.
big pig wrote:
Can we drop the term "hobby jogger" as a pejorative? 99.99% of the runners in the world are hobby joggers, most likely every person who has posted in this thread.
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jog
/jäɡ/
verb
gerund or present participle: jogging
1. run at a steady gentle pace, especially on a regular basis as a form of physical exercise. "he began to jog along the road"
synonyms: run slowly, trot, lope, dog-trot; datedjog-trot
"he jogged along the road"
these guys ... wrote:
Let me help you with that analogy.
5Ks are Pebble Beach. Play it and shoot 80, play it and shoot 180. Either way it's fine and no one really cares.
Marathon is more like ... a 100 hole golf course, where for some reason we tell everyone who completes it is amazing, no matter how long it takes them. And there's a parade, and tutus, and afrowigs, and cowbells, etc etc etc.
The fact that the latter doesn't actually exist should tell you something.
duffer wrote:Would you rather play putt-putt or Pebble Beach?
It's as if your co-worker came in and said that he shot an 80 at the local golf course and then you chimed in and said you scored a 25 on a putt-putt course.
And how long did it take you to come up with this inane metaphor?
My god. That was horrible. Try again. First analogy was better. No one cares what you shoot in putt putt, no matter your score.
these guys ... wrote:
Let me help you with that analogy.
5Ks are Pebble Beach. Play it and shoot 80, play it and shoot 180. Either way it's fine and no one really cares.
Marathon is more like ... a 100 hole golf course, where for some reason we tell everyone who completes it is amazing, no matter how long it takes them. And there's a parade, and tutus, and afrowigs, and cowbells, etc etc etc.
The fact that the latter doesn't actually exist should tell you something.
duffer wrote:Would you rather play putt-putt or Pebble Beach?
It's as if your co-worker came in and said that he shot an 80 at the local golf course and then you chimed in and said you scored a 25 on a putt-putt course.
Hobby joggers aren't nearly as obsessed with marathons as Letsrunners are obsessed with hobby joggers.
PERSONAL ANECDOTE: I ran middle distance in high school. Late 90's/early 00's, very pre-running boom. I was asked constantly, as a 16/17 year old, if I'd ever run a marathon (by the same people who would today probably ask me "how long" my recent marathon was).
Point being the marathon is a very iconic distance, mysteriously even for people who don't know much about it. If you tell people you like to run, they're going to ask about the marathon as "proof" that you're the real deal. So I'm assuming the line of thinking is - if you're trying to "become" a runner, you're gonna need to finish one.
No thanks. I did fine the first time.There is nothing analogous to hobbymarathoning. It defies nature. To come up with an analogy for it, you have to make something up.Also 5K is not analogous to putt putt, because 5Ks are not merely a kid-oriented version of a real thing.
Justib wrote:
My god. That was horrible. Try again. First analogy was better. No one cares what you shoot in putt putt, no matter your score.
In the eyes of many non-runners and non-competitve runners, finishing a marathon - no matter how slow - makes you a real runner. "Only" running 5ks/10ks - no matter how fast - doesn't make you a real runner.
Because marathon has Boston and its qualifying standards.
You have a time goal adjusted for age and gender that most hobby joggers could reach with reasonable efforts. (i.e. you don't have to sacrifice family or career to get it.)
5k, 10k and half do not have anything like that. Sure you can pick some arbitrary number as your target. You can even use age grading as a benchmark. But 70% age grade does not carry the same status as BQ. And you certainly do not get the BAA sticker, the official shirt, or whatever else that can show everyone that you have hit the BQ.
So if you want more people to train for 10k, create an iconic 10k race that requires age/gender adjusted time to qualify. You should invite the top 10k runners in the world to attract the media. You have only 119 years of tradition to catch up with Boston.
So they can say stuff like "still in the game, baby!"
I was watching a video that promoted primal eating and they were saying so many marathoners are overweight.
The entire video was an exercise on how to create invalid arguments. But sticking with this one they went on to imply that running doesn't lead to people to lose weight as much as their methods because, hey look, most marathoners are fat.
I am a hobby jogger and see your point but the stimulation of training for a 5K or 10K gets dull after awhile, especially as you age and get slower and cannot run as fast as you once did. It isn't that I much considered what others thought that made me try a marathon. Most of my training partners continued to train for 5K/10Ks.
I was never fast but the idea of one day event where you trained for that one day appealed to me after awhile. The idea of a new way to challenge myself.
Once I caught the bug I did train for a few years to try to improve my marathon time. Some of the people I did train with who also trained for marathons did get burnt out and left the sport. Others like me got slower but continue on and others moved to trails. I did that too.