Lol in case you are not a troll... are you from Georgia?
Lol in case you are not a troll... are you from Georgia?
HS Coach 76111233 wrote:
Unattached? wrote:Ok, so I ran track last year and the year before (I am a sophomore in high school) and I wanted to see if you think that our training was dumb because I want to see if I should continue on their training program or to run unattached.
This was basically what we would do every week.
Sunday- off
Monday- 4 x 800 meters at 2 mile pace
Tuesday- 5 x 600 meters at mile race pace
Wednesday- 400, 600, 800, 600, 400 at mile pace
Thursday- 8 x 400 meters all out
Friday- 8 x 200 meters all out
Saturday- race
We did warm up for this- about 640 meters- super easy, maybe 10 min pace.
I have tried to talk to her, but she says you have to run fast to get fast, so we should never do easy runs
I'm pretty sure you are one of my athletes. This is my workout and you have to run fast to get fast. I never said anything about "no easy runs" and this is not "what we would do every week." This is what we are doing one week. I'm not going to explain myself or how I came to my conclusions. If you don't like my program, you don't have to be a part of it.
Youre an awful coach. Take this season off and learn a thing or two about training. You aren't qualified to coach anyone know if this is your training.
This thread has got to be a joke. Most of the "workouts" are not even doable.
There's no mention of recovery periods between repeats. Hope they're long.
Your coach shows signs of an in-experienced coach who has probably just read articles for sprinters only, and is either a former ball player who thinks this is how you prepare in every sport, or is too gung-ho for his own good.
I suggest you show him some typical weeks of various coaches, college and high school levels. He will see the light. If not, then be professional and courteous , and let him know you feel it is best if you part ways.
46 wrote:
Your coach shows signs of an in-experienced coach who has probably just read articles for sprinters only, and is either a former ball player who thinks this is how you prepare in every sport, or is too gung-ho for his own good.
I suggest you show him some typical weeks of various coaches, college and high school levels. He will see the light. If not, then be professional and courteous , and let him know you feel it is best if you part ways.
It's not your job to educate your coach. I'm sure the xc coach knows how bad this coach is. Run unattached.
Sudbveknabs wrote:
46 wrote:Your coach shows signs of an in-experienced coach who has probably just read articles for sprinters only, and is either a former ball player who thinks this is how you prepare in every sport, or is too gung-ho for his own good.
I suggest you show him some typical weeks of various coaches, college and high school levels. He will see the light. If not, then be professional and courteous , and let him know you feel it is best if you part ways.
It's not your job to educate your coach. I'm sure the xc coach knows how bad this coach is. Run unattached.
I agree
Yes they want fast. But they don't want flakes who bail at the first speed bump. There are plenty of fast kids out there. Coaches aren't going to waste resources on a kid who quits the team the first time he doesn't like the workouts.
Kid, you mention placing at the state meet. If you don't run for your school, you won't be racing there.
Unattached? wrote:
This was basically what we would do every week.
Sunday- off
Monday- 4 x 800 meters at 2 mile pace
Tuesday- 5 x 600 meters at mile race pace
Wednesday- 400, 600, 800, 600, 400 at mile pace
Thursday- 8 x 400 meters all out
Friday- 8 x 200 meters all out
Saturday- race
We did warm up for this- about 640 meters- super easy, maybe 10 min pace.
I would personally keep running for the team, and that's what I did in high school, because the competition was very important to me, and there were no other alternatives at the time. I wanted to go to a good running school (Wichita East), but my dad picked the worst school in the area. This was not optimal, but the kids were great and this worked out okay for me.
I always did a 2 mile warm up on my own before running with the team, and recommend you do the same thing, then balance your personal program between your warm up, and the rest of the training. For example you could emphasize the Monday or Tuesday session, and treat the rest of them lightly, by following the rest of the group around from the back. If the coach gets on your case, say okay, and keep doing things your own way.
Add a warm down each day too. Even if it's only a mile that will help.
This way you can modulate the sessions week by week to match up with your personal program.
Unattached? wrote:
Where the hell you going to run unattached during the high school season? I don't know of any meets that are held then that allow open hs runners during the outdoor season.
Ok, so I ran track last year and the year before (I am a sophomore in high school) and I wanted to see if you think that our training was dumb because I want to see if I should continue on their training program or to run unattached.
This was basically what we would do every week.
Sunday- off
Monday- 4 x 800 meters at 2 mile pace
Tuesday- 5 x 600 meters at mile race pace
Wednesday- 400, 600, 800, 600, 400 at mile pace
Thursday- 8 x 400 meters all out
Friday- 8 x 200 meters all out
Saturday- race
We did warm up for this- about 640 meters- super easy, maybe 10 min pace.
I have tried to talk to her, but she says you have to run fast to get fast, so we should never do easy runs
colder and wiser wrote:
Wait, you have a cross country coach who is not the same as your track coach? Go talk to your xc coach right now before you do anything else. Your xc coach will likely understand the training problems. More importantly, your xc coach will understand the background of your track coach's thinking in a way you don't. Most importantly, your xc coach is an adult who stands a better chance of choosing the right words and being taken seriously.
AND, this is the same coach you had as a freshman? Is the coach also working with the juniniors and seniors? Are there injured runners left and right? I don't see how your story could be true without someone but a sophmore seeing the consequences. Does the XC coack take off for the winter?
OH MY GOSH HE'S A FREAKING TROLL QUIT BITING!!!! His 'state', whose male 3200 championship race has only one guy break 10:30 is not a real state! Is LetsRun's community really this stupid?
2.37/10
Ok, so no, my school has never had any good distance runners. Ever.
qwe wrote:
OH MY GOSH HE'S A FREAKING TROLL QUIT BITING!!!! His 'state', whose male 3200 championship race has only one guy break 10:30 is not a real state! Is LetsRun's community really this stupid?
2.37/10
Dude, I swear, I'm not.
We are a smaller school, plus our division is bad, I know it sounds crazy, especially if you live in California or something, but look up smaller states and stuff,
I would run for the team if you like your teammates. You have the chance to save it.
Run mornings, 2-6 miles as often as you can, as easy as you want.
Run as long warmups and cooldowns as possible.
Run the workouts easier than your coach tells you to, like run with way slower runners on the team.
There is nothing wrong with running intervals 5-6 days of the week (read up on igloi, a terrific coach). The problem is running them too hard, and you are right that you don't need that much running at mile pace. But if the intervals are run at your two-mile pace or 5k pace with adequate rest.... You should get quite good. Just be smart and keep quiet. Ignore it if people say you aren't trying hard enough.When you race fast everything will work out. "Slow" intervals need not be anaerobic... Run relaxed
Unattached? wrote:
qwe wrote:OH MY GOSH HE'S A FREAKING TROLL QUIT BITING!!!! His 'state', whose male 3200 championship race has only one guy break 10:30 is not a real state! Is LetsRun's community really this stupid?
2.37/10
Dude, I swear, I'm not.
If you're not a troll...and just for the fun of it...what were the recovery periods for each workout? And since you said you've done these workouts, what were your times? Thanks...
basically, they'd make the recovery periods up on the spot, generally they were around 1:1. Times, I'm not sure about- but slow.
1. Try and get the xc coach to talk to the track coach.
2. If that fails talk to the coach on your own.
3. If she won't change the workouts ask her if she is fine with you not running them all out.
4. If she's not race unattached. Maybe LRC nation or JK can coach you. You have a good xc coach fortunately. And if you're going to try and get in the 15s you might as well try and run in college. Good luck.
wejo wrote:
1. Try and get the xc coach to talk to the track coach.
2. If that fails talk to the coach on your own.
3. If she won't change the workouts ask her if she is fine with you not running them all out.
4. If she's not race unattached. Maybe LRC nation or JK can coach you. You have a good xc coach fortunately. And if you're going to try and get in the 15s you might as well try and run in college. Good luck.
Thanks for the help Wejo. What is LRC nation and JK?
I ran for a bad school with an inexperienced coach doing similar workouts. I was an 800/1600 guy though. I did terrible in xc, because I never once went over 20 miles a week. I stayed with it all 4 years. In retrospect, I wish I could have ran unattached my senior year like Maton. I was never put into any good meets, and my training was all made up on the spot. I did run good times though. I know I could have done better if I would have done my own thing. You really shouldn't go through with this until you can prove that you can run fast.
My advice is that you stay with this coach. Tell her your concern. Tell her that you don't think your body will be able to handle all out workouts everyday. Tell your xc coach. I don't think you should run unattached until you run better times. Just make the most out of your current situation until you get better. Working out alone sucks and there is no accountability. Will you be able to motivate yourself to follow through on this on your own?