Most respected man in running wrote:
Is respect Ryan Hall. Why. Because he is the only competitive marathoner who is not doping.
I respect Ryan too, but calling him a marathoner is getting harder and harder. I mean, don't you need to finish a marathon in order to be called a marathoner? Being dead-serious here, should he just focus on half-marathon & 10k like Tadese?
somebloke wrote:
Link to it:
http://www.runnersworld.com/chicago-marathon/sara-hall-gives-the-marathon-another-tryThis is the bit I find very odd (referring to Ryan):
"He has some hormonal imbalances which could quickly be fixed illegally by microdosing, but that's obviously not the path he's taking. I think he can get back to where he was, but he won't be able to do it how he has done it in the past."
What is she talking about???!
She is admitting that hall microdosed testosterone in the past. No wonder he cannot come anywhere near his past superhuman performances.
Only not doping in the sense Rupp is not doping. Find it strange Hall was on thyroid and named in the WSJ article as seeing Dr Brown to get meds from him yet he gets a free ride while Rupp gets slaughtered. Does anyone know if there is a link between thyroid meds and testosterone levels?
Most testosterone is produced in the testicles. if you work your balls off, then your testosterone level will fall.
M G.R. wrote:
pop_pop!_v2.1 wrote:Yes. It's called a Therapeutic Use Exception. (TUE) And they do, in fact, hand them out for low Testosterone. But, there's no way he would get one because if it were an actual health condition, he would have a lifetime of health consequences and most performances would be way below elite.
"G.R." might have something to say about this.
Minor correction to my post. If he got a TUE, it would be perfectly legal. Anytime he tested positive for exogenous T he uses the TUE to explain it.
The reality is that is a positive would be unlikely because it's almost impossible to cross the 4:1 threshold without doping.
Remember When wrote:
The solution for low testosterone is five bottles of beer and sex with his wife at least four times . . . if it was her birthday, the lady deserved a treat.
The Green Machine FTW, baby!
Isn't Rupp on thyroid? If so, Hall's career has fallen apart over something that he is not taking and Rupp has been killing it while taking the same thing?
fred wrote:
Mr T wrote:If you work your balls off, you will have low T.
Where's the science?
Pretty simple. If they are not attached they don't deliver T into the system.
There are plenty of other causes of Low T besides taking exogenous testosterone over long periods of time.
pop_pop!_v2.1 wrote:
She doesn't know WTF she is saying. "Low T" is a consequence of taking Test over long periods of time. The body stops making it.
The human norm is about 1:1 T:E ratio. IOC permits 4x that before declaring a positive. So, exogenous Testosterone is perfectly acceptable, up to about 4:1. But, then the body stops making it....
It's not cheating if you never test positive.
Now he's living with the consequences of the IOC/IAAF permissive doping policies. Why won't God get him back in the game? Are you there God? It's Ryan. You let me dope before, so fix this sh!t.
Green Egg and Hammy wrote:
There are plenty of other causes of Low T besides taking exogenous testosterone over long periods of time.
Please, tell us what other conditions affect elite athletes inability to produce T that are not related to doping. You know, that doping that the IAAF permits.
And BTW, let's all be clear, we don't know for sure it's exactly "low T." We're assuming. I know I am. Maybe the guy is clean-ish now and this is as good as it gets. Lots and lots of maybes.
Hall was on thyroid medication and it messed his body up. It's really that simple.
somebloke wrote:
Link to it:
http://www.runnersworld.com/chicago-marathon/sara-hall-gives-the-marathon-another-tryThis is the bit I find very odd (referring to Ryan):
"He has some hormonal imbalances which could quickly be fixed illegally by microdosing, but that's obviously not the path he's taking. I think he can get back to where he was, but he won't be able to do it how he has done it in the past."
What is she talking about???!
Hard to be sure, but my reading is that he can get back to where he was, but he'll have to change his training (i.e. he won't be able to do it how has done it in the past) due to the imbalances (and, although she doesn't mention this, the fact that he's older. It stands to reason that he can't train like a 20 year old any more).
the whole website is about trolling, I just did my part feeding them. you. us.
low T was suggested by some posters, but there's no evidence of that.
Ryan said that he had low T 4 years ago.
One of the science papers says that low T can follow the low Thyroid.
He should retire and get physical treatment for whatever ails him.
fred wrote:
One of the science papers says that low T can follow the low Thyroid.
Sick citation bro
adsfasfsdff wrote:
fred wrote:One of the science papers says that low T can follow the low Thyroid.
Sick citation bro
Yeah, not one of fred's better efforts, I like his posts because he usually does his research and includes links, he probably will later. I expect he intended but had to dash off to his bible class, he's very religious you know, just like the Hall's.
Have you done anything to help try and combat your low testosterone levels?
There isn’t anything that I can legally do to change that and even if I were to get a TUE (therapeutic use exemption) for testosterone, I still wouldn’t take a synthetic version because then the body stops producing testosterone naturally. I also feel like taking synthetic testosterone, even with a TUE, crosses a moral line that I am not willing to cross.
bill Rodgers was running 2:20's until his mid forties.....
this is bullcrap about the low t
Maybe he needs to just take some time off from running and let his body reset itself.
I believe it! Seriously, that pic they posted of him with the adopted children was scary. Images of Bruce Jenner flashed through my mind. Brad Pitt can pull off that hair, Ryan Hall not so much. If you have low T or thyroid and a clinical diagnoses is established then why doesn't he get on meds. You can only race for a small window of your life. Get your numbers up to normal and go train. I still can't believe all the awesome coaches and opportunities he has pissed away. At some point they stop coming.