StevenC wrote:
Muslim is technically a type of Judaism, so I imagine that a lot of African and Middle Eastern runners are actually Jews, even if you wouldn't typically think of them as such.
In no rational way is this true.
StevenC wrote:
Muslim is technically a type of Judaism, so I imagine that a lot of African and Middle Eastern runners are actually Jews, even if you wouldn't typically think of them as such.
In no rational way is this true.
After 5,000 years in E Eur, the Jews from E Eur are less genetically Ancient Hebrew than our Great Leader Kim Jong Un.[/quote]
There is nothing true about your statement. You show a clear lack of understand of history and genetics.
coach wrote:
Jews are only 3% of the population why would one expect many Jewish professional runners? Where are the Indian, Chinese, Dominican, 7th Day Adventists, Christian Scientists? Hell, where are the good white runners?
It's actually less than 2%--and yet you are all consumed by us. What does that say about you?
Russell Brown (Stanford '07), but I think he has retired.
1500m: 3:34
Mile: 3:51
actual jew wrote:
It's actually less than 2%--and yet you are all consumed by us. What does that say about you?
Um, that your appearance and actions are so heinous in proportion to your population.
14.2 million Jews
7 billion people
___________________
Jews make up .2% of the world's population
So the question must become in sports around the world, are 1 in 500 designated great athletes Jewish?
According to the demographics of sporting Hall of Fames, absolutely, in fact even in Hockey, Rugby, and basketball they are over-represented according to that figure.
That said, there is the criticism that these Jews in the Halls of Fame made their marks early in their game's inception before they became mainstream and played worldwide-- and that once this happened their global success dropped.
While this idea is compelling, the numbers, even today, of athletically successful Jews per 500 athletically successful non-Jews suggests an overrepresentation as opposed to evidence indicating a lack of general athleticism.
So what is the origin of this myth? Without bias in any direction, there has throughout history been a strong presence of anti-semitism throughout the Western and Muslim world. Much of this derived from resentment at Jewish success in banking and law (and to a lesser degree medicine) through arguably shady measures. The impression of Jews then became that they were schemers who could not make it as warriors or knights or in other noble professions, and instead focused on cooking books. The propagandist image of bespectacled, chubby Jews spending time reading to figure out loopholes or ways to cheat unfortunately and, by and large, unfairly has followed them through the years.
However, middle-easterners, Jewish or not, average about 2 inches shorter than the global average, which would hurt all of their chances at success in this arena.
Currently in the top 500 of their respective sports, and thus challenging the idea of Jewish athletic inferiority might be:
Ryan Braun, Craig Breslow, Kevin Pillar...
Sue Bird
Jordan Farmar
Omri Casspi
Julian Edelman
Nate Ebner
Kyle Beckerman
Jonathan Bornstein
Jason Lezak
Dara Torres
Shaul Ladany
Deena Kastor
Olyesa Povh
Steven Solomon
Joanna Zeiger
Diingleberry wrote:
Sammy Davis Jr. wrote:Not all Jews have Jewish names.
Additionally not all people with "Jewish" last names are actually Jewish.
Like my poor Catholic friend Avi Finklestein.
Do any of the Ethiopian Jews who immigrated to Israel in Operation Moses and Operation Solomon have any talent for running?
If they do, is it that they don't pursue running since they are off busy doing other things?
Yep. I can confirm that. Mo's wife is indeed Jewish. Not sure about the kids, though.
.actual jew wrote:
coach wrote:Jews are only 3% of the population why would one expect many Jewish professional runners? Where are the Indian, Chinese, Dominican, 7th Day Adventists, Christian Scientists? Hell, where are the good white runners?
It's actually less than 2%--and yet you are all consumed by us. What does that say about you?
In reality, you are self absorbed far beyond any other group and are raised to believe that you are better than others and that others hate you for your greatness. This produces a very sick culture.
I wanna Pyongyang your anus wrote:
Randy Oldman wrote:I did
Olesya Povh, Ukraine (sprints)
Steven Solomon, Australia (400m)
After 5,000 years in E Eur, the Jews from E Eur are less genetically Ancient Hebrew than our Great Leader Kim Jong Un.
I don't think Jews have been in Eastern Europe for 5,000 years, maybe 2,000 max.
Currently in the top 500 of their respective sports, and thus challenging the idea of Jewish athletic inferiority might be:
Ryan Braun, Craig Breslow, Kevin Pillar...
Sue Bird
Jordan Farmar
Omri Casspi
Julian Edelman
Nate Ebner
Kyle Beckerman
Jonathan Bornstein
Jason Lezak
Dara Torres
Shaul Ladany
Deena Kastor
Olyesa Povh
Steven Solomon
Joanna Zeiger.
Most of these people have at most one Jewish grandparent and were never considered Jewish until they hit the Bigs -- where claiming to be Jewish pays off. Braun, Edleman, Sue Bird for example were all raised as Christians. Braun really adopted and embraced the Jewish culture as he claimed that his positive test for PEDS was due to anti-Semitism.
Let's face it. Sandy Koufax, Mark Spitz, and Dena Kastor is about it. And Hank Greenberg if you want to go back 80 years,
dontletfactsgetinyourway wrote:
14.2 million Jews
7 billion people
___________________
Jews make up .2% of the world's population
So the question must become in sports around the world, are 1 in 500 designated great athletes Jewish?
According to the demographics of sporting Hall of Fames, absolutely, in fact even in Hockey, Rugby, and basketball they are over-represented according to that figure.
That said, there is the criticism that these Jews in the Halls of Fame made their marks early in their game's inception before they became mainstream and played worldwide-- and that once this happened their global success dropped.
While this idea is compelling, the numbers, even today, of athletically successful Jews per 500 athletically successful non-Jews suggests an overrepresentation as opposed to evidence indicating a lack of general athleticism.
So what is the origin of this myth? Without bias in any direction, there has throughout history been a strong presence of anti-semitism throughout the Western and Muslim world. Much of this derived from resentment at Jewish success in banking and law (and to a lesser degree medicine) through arguably shady measures. The impression of Jews then became that they were schemers who could not make it as warriors or knights or in other noble professions, and instead focused on cooking books. The propagandist image of bespectacled, chubby Jews spending time reading to figure out loopholes or ways to cheat unfortunately and, by and large, unfairly has followed them through the years.
However, middle-easterners, Jewish or not, average about 2 inches shorter than the global average, which would hurt all of their chances at success in this arena.
Currently in the top 500 of their respective sports, and thus challenging the idea of Jewish athletic inferiority might be:
Ryan Braun, Craig Breslow, Kevin Pillar...
Sue Bird
Jordan Farmar
Omri Casspi
Julian Edelman
Nate Ebner
Kyle Beckerman
Jonathan Bornstein
Jason Lezak
Dara Torres
Shaul Ladany
Deena Kastor
Olyesa Povh
Steven Solomon
Joanna Zeiger
I've heard of 2 of those and one of them is only because of this thread.
What about the great Spanstein and Burndorfer? Everyone knows them.
What about the great Spanstein and Burndorfer? Everyone knows them.
Method Man is jewish. He ran from the cops a few times, right?
To get back to the original question: Jewish professional runners today?
I believe the answer is none. Unless Deena is still a pro.
Although if you want to open to a worldwide search, you would include Steve Solomon.
Is THIS what you're referencing?
There ain't none.
Usain Bolt is Jewish. His mother is an Ethipoian Jew who emigrated to Jamaica.