Dibaba rumored 6x8 session!!

Steve Cram, 3.46 miler:

"In his nine-week pre-competition phase from late-March to May he would typically implement twice-weekly sessions such as 6x800m in 2:05 (2min rec) and 6x600m in 92-93sec (90sec rec). He spent Tuesdays and Thursdays on the track and typically the sessions were 200m to 800m reps with 15sec recovery per 100m effort factored in."

Read more at

http://www.athleticsweekly.com/featured/endurance-cramming-it-in-30197/#Q6yykOS5FAdZZlK8.99

The Spork wrote:

1) 2.02

2) 2.03

3) 2.04

4) 2.04

5) 2.04

6) 1.58

All with 2 minutes rest. This indicates MUCH faster than 3.50 for 1500, in my opinion.

The 800ms went like this: 2:08, 2:06, 2:04, 2:02, 2:00, 1:58 and 1:56!

Now who is on PED's!

Yes, men and women are different at middle distance. Women are terrible at it. World class for 800m is sub 2. The world record for 1500m is 3.50. Only a handful of women break 4 minutes for 1500m each year. High school boys can smash them. Now, how do you figure she ran a 6 x 800m faster than Cram?

She's a 3.50 1500m runner. For a human, it's not fast at all.

The Ethiopian 800m record in 1.57, and you believe she ran her 6th rep in 1.58?

Her last three reps alone indicate 4 minute mile potential.

No way in hell she did this workout. Those believing she did, have never run repeat 800s at that that pace. Three or four at that pace is an amazing workout for sub 4 milers.

* wrote:

This workout was on the Monaco track.

Bingo.

Confused and dazed wrote:

stats.gangsta_the_real_1 wrote:

This workout of yours seems pretty similar to her workout. Putting the splits (44.62, 60.31, 64.52, 60.62) of her 1500m in

http://timescalculator.appspot.com/optimizer

gives 3:46.84

What does this post mean?

What does it mean? I'll try to clarify.

The poster Malmo said that either Dibaba's workout is bs or Dibaba can run much faster than 3:50 for 1500m. He supported this by showing workouts of his that he himself had done in his training logs. Attached to each of these workouts is the 1500m shape he was in at the time.

I picked out a workout that was similar to hers. Malmo's attached 1500m fitness for that workout was 3:46. I then put the splits of her 3:50 1500m in that website to see what she could have run with better pacing. It says she could have run 3:46.84 which is pretty close to the shape Malmo was in when he ran a similar workout.

Is that clearer?

Shaheen's workout is posted above. Canova even says he's shocked.

As for the type of session Dibaba did vs Cram/Coe. I don't think she was taking 45s/1' rest. That in itself is very fast. I would have to bet on about 3' or longer for Dibaba.

Last thing, remember that Dibaba trains at 8,000 ft usually, so coming down to sea level probably has some certain advantage for her with aerobic power (clearing lactic). I don't know where she did this workout, but that could also throw some things off.

bigtool05 wrote:

I mean let's put this into perspective: there are world championships/olympics where 1:58 would have medaled, and she's hitting it as the last rep of workout. It's hard to say what the men's equivalent to 1:58 would be, but it's gotta be in the 1:44-1:45 range. Imagine a guy hitting the last rep of a 6x800 workout in 1:44-1:45.

alan webb close one in either 1:46, or 1:48 before. i can't remember.

Think! wrote:

bigtool05 wrote:

I didn't even realize it at first but you're totally right; it was the OP who said she took 2:00 rest, not her. If she was taking 3:00, 4:00 or even more as rest then I definitely believe she could have done that workout. And, like you said, why would she lie?

World class runners lie about their workouts all the time. Morceli said he could do 16x400 with a minute rest in 52.

When did he say that?

stats.gangsta_the_real_1 wrote:

Confused and dazed wrote:

What does this post mean?

What does it mean? I'll try to clarify.

The poster Malmo said that either Dibaba's workout is bs or Dibaba can run much faster than 3:50 for 1500m. He supported this by showing workouts of his that he himself had done in his training logs. Attached to each of these workouts is the 1500m shape he was in at the time.

I picked out a workout that was similar to hers. Malmo's attached 1500m fitness for that workout was 3:46. I then put the splits of her 3:50 1500m in that website to see what she could have run with better pacing. It says she could have run 3:46.84 which is pretty close to the shape Malmo was in when he ran a similar workout.

Is that clearer?

No that's NOT clever.

1) Dibaba did not run 3:46 regardless of what your website says.

2) NONE of the training sessions I posted came anyway close to what she is purported to have done.

3) That 3:46 of mine that you are comparing to came 2 weeks after a 3:42

ukathleticscoach wrote:

The Spork wrote:

1) 2.02

2) 2.03

3) 2.04

4) 2.04

5) 2.04

6) 1.58

All with 2 minutes rest. This indicates MUCH faster than 3.50 for 1500, in my opinion.

The 800ms went like this: 2:08, 2:06, 2:04, 2:02, 2:00, 1:58 and 1:56!

http://www.serpentine.org.uk/pages/advice_frank13.html

Now who is on PED's!

Everybody

Rx3 wrote:

Messagehttp://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?board=1&thread=3976142&id=3979265#3979265

Shaheen's workout is posted above. Canova even says he's shocked.

As for the type of session Dibaba did vs Cram/Coe. I don't think she was taking 45s/1' rest. That in itself is very fast. I would have to bet on about 3' or longer for Dibaba.

Last thing, remember that Dibaba trains at 8,000 ft usually, so coming down to sea level probably has some certain advantage for her with aerobic power (clearing lactic). I don't know where she did this workout, but that could also throw some things off.

You're wrong on all accounts.

The workout ukathleticscoach listed above is one that Horwill claimed that Coe did with 2 minutes rest (and that he even could do that is in dispute), and the Coe workout is perhaps a little easier (first 3 in 2:08, 2:06, 2:04).

At the time Lagat was double world champion, he did 4X800 in 1:58-2:02 + 2X400[58,56]--Dr. Li confirmed this one personally by email.

These are workouts of people who ran 3:26-3:29 and 1:41 (and Lagat the last 800 of a 1500 in 1:46!). There is no way someone with "only" a 3:50 PR can do these workouts, male or female.

The Spork wrote:

1) 2.02

2) 2.03

3) 2.04

4) 2.04

5) 2.04

6) 1.58

All with 2 minutes rest. This indicates MUCH faster than 3.50 for 1500, in my opinion.

Where are you getting "2 minutes rest" from? I didn't see that in the article?

In short, this is saying she did 6x800 with equal (2:00) rest, significantly faster than 1500 pace.

BS.

Show me the quote saying 2:00 rest.

ukathleticscoach wrote:

Now who is on PED's!

What?

You mean that guy who's defending dopers in Russia and Jamaica, friends with Salazar, presently an Ambassador for Nike, and attacking the credentials of 2 experts that worked for WADA was on PEDs himself?

Couldn't imagine that!

You're Welcome wrote:

JRinaldi wrote:

Where are the recoveries mentioned? It might have been progressive recoveries, 2-3-4-5-6min

.

In the original post, directly after the splits.

You moron, he meant where is it mentioned BY DIBABA, not where is it made up by a Letsrun idiot.

She never said 2:00 rest.

Are you really a coach? wrote:

30% longer rest is pretty significant, man. 2 minutes changed to 3 minutes makes a huge difference.

And we don't know if it was 2:00 rest, 3:00 or 5:13.

The OP simply made up a number and a bunch of ninnies are talking as if it is an actual workout she did.

"Recupero 2'". Strange people here on this forum.

http://imgur.com/Bqicv7N

rupp-certified saladbar wrote:

Are you really a coach? wrote:

30% longer rest is pretty significant, man. 2 minutes changed to 3 minutes makes a huge difference.

And we don't know if it was 2:00 rest, 3:00 or 5:13.

The OP simply made up a number and a bunch of ninnies are talking as if it is an actual workout she did.

Correct. There's also no mention of what the fractions were after the whole seconds or of the splits for the 4th and 5th pickups. So how about we guess that the workout was something like:

2:02.5 (5 minutes)

2:03.5 (5)

2:04.5 (5)

2:05.5 (5)

2:06.5 (5)

1:58.9

This seems somewhat more in line with 3:50 for 1500m [although still probably suggest potential to break 3:50, and that suggestion is reinforced by the slowest split of her race being the 64 from 400m - 800m behind Price]. I also have to think it suggests a sub-5:15 2000m, a sub-8 3000m and a sub 14 5000m, all of which I would love to see Dibaba run.

The Spork wrote:

http://speedendurance.com

That link goes to a web page that makes a set of assumptions that aren't actually corroborated by Dibaba in the interview. Do you have evidence that:

1) the recoveries were 2 minutes

2) the splits for the 4th and 5th pickups were 2:04

3) the times for the pickups were rounded to the nearest second [as opposed to being rounded down to the last full second]