if NOP is beating all these olympic & WC medalist dopers something is amiss with the salazar group...sad day for T&F....
P.S.....much like cycling w/Froome, Armstrong and etc
if NOP is beating all these olympic & WC medalist dopers something is amiss with the salazar group...sad day for T&F....
P.S.....much like cycling w/Froome, Armstrong and etc
hey, I know... wrote:
agip wrote:What has to happen is a testing requirement - either you get tested out of competition or you don't compete. Done. Put the testing requirement on the athlete.
Every country that belongs to the IAAF has to chip in. Hire the bloody Swiss and Japanese to do it.
Not sure how you handle the surprise element of out of competition testing, but there has to be a way - it's not brain surgery.
You send in the Spanish Inquisition.
Perfect. No-one expects the Spanish Inquisition.
sol1 wrote:
Here's the English version:
http://www.ardmediathek.de/tv/Reportage-Dokumentation/Geheimsache-Doping-engl-Version/Das-Erste/Video?documentId=29857186&bcastId=799280More on Russia: Top athletes can be heard talking about their doping, the coaches involved are still working behind the scenes, and Svetlana Zhurova, former speed skater, now politician and member of the RUSADA supervisory board, reveals to the Russian press that members of the national team are informed ahead of doping tests, and positive tests are revealed to the trainers, so that the athletes will not be detected at championships.
On Kenya: An EPO death of a hopeful runner named Geoffrey Kipketer Tarno. Doctors giving out EPO and other doping substances can be found everywhere. The leaders of Athletics Kenya seem to steal the money they get from Nike and to suppress positive doping tests. Rita Jeptoo's blood hasn't been controlled since 2006.
Thanks, that was great.
run-dope wrote:
if NOP is beating all these olympic & WC medalist dopers something is amiss with the salazar group...sad day for T&F....
P.S.....much like cycling w/Froome, Armstrong and etc
I do not agree with your statement, however, using your logic, you need to add Simpson, Coburn and Jager to the list.
sol1 wrote:
Here's the English version:
http://www.ardmediathek.de/tv/Reportage-Dokumentation/Geheimsache-Doping-engl-Version/Das-Erste/Video?documentId=29857186&bcastId=799280More on Russia: Top athletes can be heard talking about their doping, the coaches involved are still working behind the scenes, and Svetlana Zhurova, former speed skater, now politician and member of the RUSADA supervisory board, reveals to the Russian press that members of the national team are informed ahead of doping tests, and positive tests are revealed to the trainers, so that the athletes will not be detected at championships.
On Kenya: An EPO death of a hopeful runner named Geoffrey Kipketer Tarno. Doctors giving out EPO and other doping substances can be found everywhere. The leaders of Athletics Kenya seem to steal the money they get from Nike and to suppress positive doping tests. Rita Jeptoo's blood hasn't been controlled since 2006.
Thanks! Been looking for this all day!
Wonder who the amateur European runner was getting an EPO poke in Kenya and how common this is amongst white runners who train in Kenya.
I haven't watched the documentary but 1/3 of medallists having suspicious blood values does not surprise me at all. I'm surprised the number isn't higher.
If you asked me "are 1/3 of medallists doping?" I'd have likely said yes. However, only 1/3 of medallists had suspicious values, so actually the amount of medallists doping might be smaller than I thought. Is anyone else actually encouraged by this show?
Or could you microdose and not even have a suspicious value?
To test positive on a biological passport the error rate has to be very, very small, so many doped athletes will have high blood values. 1 suspcious value will not pop you.
Movin' To Kenya wrote:
Wonder who the amateur European runner was getting an EPO poke in Kenya and how common this is amongst white runners who train in Kenya.
I've been wondering about this since a friend spent a month in Iten and did a string of monster workouts he never had been capable of before. Anyone knows how fast EPO works?
I'll just say that it would be very cool if europeans, americans and japanese could again vie for wins in marathon majors.
Been hearing about this for weeks. Even still, too much to process.
agip wrote:
I'll just say that it would be very cool if europeans, americans and japanese could again vie for wins in marathon majors.
No problem, just train in Kenya and get your pokes.
wejo wrote:
I haven't watched the documentary but 1/3 of medallists having suspicious blood values does not surprise me at all. I'm surprised the number isn't higher.
If you asked me "are 1/3 of medallists doping?" I'd have likely said yes. However, only 1/3 of medallists had suspicious values, so actually the amount of medallists doping might be smaller than I thought. Is anyone else actually encouraged by this show?
Or could you microdose and not even have a suspicious value?
To test positive on a biological passport the error rate has to be very, very small, so many doped athletes will have high blood values. 1 suspcious value will not pop you.
Watch.
It's crazy that the NOP threads absolutely blew this board up. Can't imagine the traffic spikes. But this IRREFUTABLE and rock solid documentary seems to be barely making waves here.
What gives? We can rag on our own athletes without a shred of actual evidence-- base or condemnation on what is practically speculation given the lack of evidence. But this German bombshell drops and the board is flooding with typical bullshit threads?
William Tell(ing) wrote:
wejo wrote:I haven't watched the documentary but 1/3 of medallists having suspicious blood values does not surprise me at all. I'm surprised the number isn't higher.
If you asked me "are 1/3 of medallists doping?" I'd have likely said yes. However, only 1/3 of medallists had suspicious values, so actually the amount of medallists doping might be smaller than I thought. Is anyone else actually encouraged by this show?
Or could you microdose and not even have a suspicious value?
To test positive on a biological passport the error rate has to be very, very small, so many doped athletes will have high blood values. 1 suspcious value will not pop you.
Watch.
It's crazy that the NOP threads absolutely blew this board up. Can't imagine the traffic spikes. But this IRREFUTABLE and rock solid documentary seems to be barely making waves here.
What gives? We can rag on our own athletes without a shred of actual evidence-- base or condemnation on what is practically speculation given the lack of evidence. But this German bombshell drops and the board is flooding with typical bullshit threads?
until names are named and medals withdrawn, this is all shadows and fog
But lets make one f!@# thing clear here, Mo Farah is not in that group guys. He is freakishly the most talented 32 yld the world has ever seen!! Fast and constantly improving!
William Tell(ing) wrote:
It's crazy that the NOP threads absolutely blew this board up.
The NOP discussion was nothing compared to the discussion of some unknown 4h marathoner claiming to have run 3:11. When Nike stops paying you, you'll understand humans are most interested in news about people of whom they at least know the names.
Wow. I'm still processing it.
With the first German documentary that aired earlier this year, the BBC documentary, and now this, it seems clear that the majority of top athletes are taking drugs. Further, it appears that the IAAF and individual federations are not taking action when they have evidence of suspicious values, and some are even covering up positives.
Our sport is as dirty, if not dirtier than cycling. This is disappointing.
I wonder how Renato will try to spin this one.
wejo wrote:
I haven't watched the documentary but 1/3 of medallists having suspicious blood values does not surprise me at all. I'm surprised the number isn't higher.
If you asked me "are 1/3 of medallists doping?" I'd have likely said yes. However, only 1/3 of medallists had suspicious values, so actually the amount of medallists doping might be smaller than I thought. Is anyone else actually encouraged by this show?
Or could you microdose and not even have a suspicious value?
To test positive on a biological passport the error rate has to be very, very small, so many doped athletes will have high blood values. 1 suspcious value will not pop you.
Wejo, read the WADA docs. It's not hard reading.
Drugs generally are sorted into two categories:
Not present in the human body:
pass/fail
Present in the human body in some way like HGH/Testosterone:
non-positive->suspicious->positive.
"Artifact" drugs like EPO:
non-positive->suspicious->positive. What's nice about the bio-passport is it's pretty clear who is non-positive.
This round of Seppelt's work confirms the IAAF is just not sanctioning any irregularities, probably like cycling.
Iwasthresawthat wrote:
But lets make one f!@# thing clear here, Mo Farah is not in that group guys. He is freakishly the most talented 32 yld the world has ever seen!! Fast and constantly improving!
Remarkable how that was stated in the article.
Steve on a cell in Brooklyn wrote:
Iwasthresawthat wrote:But lets make one f!@# thing clear here, Mo Farah is not in that group guys. He is freakishly the most talented 32 yld the world has ever seen!! Fast and constantly improving!
Remarkable how that was stated in the article.
Yes, remarkable that a key fact was stated. Considering Farah has been dominating his events in recent years and has been cleaning up the WC and Olympic Gold medals for fun. When people think Drug cheating, the first thing people will look at is those who are successful. So of course they were going to state that in the article.
Quite ironic that people on here have accused Mo of being a doper and yet all this time, he was clean, while having to run against the Kenyans who are now implicated in massive doping scandal.
Remember, it was independent scientists who examined Farah's bloods, along with Bolt's and other top athletes such as Jessica Ennis-Hill and found it was clean. No abnormalities what so ever.
Why would you change the title from the original, descriptive subject to this garbage? Come on LRC
Biased Much wrote:
run-dope wrote:if NOP is beating all these olympic & WC medalist dopers something is amiss with the salazar group...sad day for T&F....
P.S.....much like cycling w/Froome, Armstrong and etc
I do not agree with your statement, however, using your logic, you need to add Simpson, Coburn and Jager to the list.
What medals do Coburn and Jager have?