I didn't read through most of this thread. I really hope I'm not the first to point out that this is just as easily faked as the graph and the pill bottle. I don't know why everyone takes Magness' word as solid gospel. He hasn't shown us anything that isn't purely anecdotal or easily falsified.
But if it's all explainable and it was just a legal test boost product then how you take Magness seriously after crying wolf.
Doesn't look so promising on that front. Seriously. How many drug cheats has nike supported in t&f fr you to think otherwise? These are the ones we know about.Lance ArmstrongJustin GatlinMarion JonesMary Decker SlaneyRita Jeptooetc.nike doesn't care and f*ck you if you do care.
Better Call Salazar wrote:
Magnets is gonna look like jackass if it turns out Salazar is telling the truth.
pop_pop! wrote:
800 dude wrote:The "printed version" of an email is no more authentic or original than a cut and paste job on a website..
I hate to break it to you, but email is trusted. people believe in email.
Let's talk about you and what you feel would constitute 'proof' Al Sal doped kids, and is running a doping program. Be specific.
Does NOP's PR agency pay well?
I think you misinterpreted what he said. He's saying that simply showing the full text of the email doesn't prove anything, since this could very easily be faked, so you should have no expectation of seeing the text. What would be much harder for your average non-hacker to do is fake the original email, and David Epstein has ostensibly seen the original in Magness's email account. Yes, it's possible to fake the sender of an email, but again your average non-hacker doesn't know how to do this and there are other ways to verify if an email has been faked.
I would like to see Epstein write about and expose similar drug use in basically all elite track and field athletes as well as the NCAA, not just the biggest fish.
Outlook wrote:
pop_pop! wrote:I hate to break it to you, but email is trusted. people believe in email.
Let's talk about you and what you feel would constitute 'proof' Al Sal doped kids, and is running a doping program. Be specific.
Does NOP's PR agency pay well?
I think you misinterpreted what he said. He's saying that simply showing the full text of the email doesn't prove anything, since this could very easily be faked, so you should have no expectation of seeing the text. What would be much harder for your average non-hacker to do is fake the original email, and David Epstein has ostensibly seen the original in Magness's email account. Yes, it's possible to fake the sender of an email, but again your average non-hacker doesn't know how to do this and there are other ways to verify if an email has been faked.
The meta data that is buried in each email is all you need to verify the veracity of their claims.
All of this stuff about faking documents is crazy. It means that 17 people would have to be in on a conspiracy 2 inkocent people. Does that really sound like reality to you? If so I've got some tinfoil hats to sell you.
Devil Dog wrote:
I didn't read through most of this thread. I really hope I'm not the first to point out that this is just as easily faked as the graph and the pill bottle. I don't know why everyone takes Magness' word as solid gospel. He hasn't shown us anything that isn't purely anecdotal or easily falsified.
Please define your version of "easily". Because assuming Magness isn't some computer hacking expert, he would have to hire someone to fake those emails for him. And make sure that he didn't screw anything up like a time stamp or IP address on the hacked email, and somehow make sure that Salazar couldn't simply disprove it by showing his own email records. Why hasn't Salazar done this yet, instead of allowing himself to be slandered?
I'm sure Magness went to the trouble of faking the graph too. That's why Salazar himself acknowledged that the graph is the real thing.
If Magness was simply making up all this evidence, and the 16 others are lying as well, he would be absolutely destroyed by the Nike Legal Machine. Somehow I don't think that's going to happen.
Weekly sales of Magnesses book "The Science of Being a Snitch" are up 5% since the Epstein article.
Without context this email exchange doesn't have any value. If Salazar disagreed with training decisions that Magness was making or if he was being insubordinate to his boss (Salazar) why wouldn't it be logical for that to impact whether they could give him a positive recommendation?
NocontextNovalue wrote:
Without context this email exchange doesn't have any value. If Salazar disagreed with training decisions that Magness was making or if he was being insubordinate to his boss (Salazar) why wouldn't it be logical for that to impact whether they could give him a positive recommendation?
It was not the professional way to handle any situation, regardless of the context. Salazar is a scumbag, period.