Oregon and Cheserek should be ashamed and embarrassed

One more thing to all of the foolish critics.

Another option. Oregon stops coming all together as they don't want the gripe from you all. Without USA vs World, if Oregon pulls an Arkansas and stops coming, then what will Penn have left?

Whoa, people, slow down with the hate. For as long as I've watched Penns, one of the most common tactics has been the mile anchor slow down. Joe Falcon did it, Leo Manzano did it, Nick Willis did it. It's a long weekend of racing, doubling back from DMR to 4 x mile. If you're top dog, you slow it down and see if anyone has the balls to take the lead. The fact that the race jammed into a pack is really a testament to everyone else's fear, not Chez's lack of tactical savvy. I personally groan when I see the pack bunch up after. 75 second lap, but it's an all too familiar tactic at Penn relays. Chez was just following the playbook.

rojo wrote:

One more thing to all of the foolish critics.

Another option. Oregon stops coming all together as they don't want the gripe from you all. Without USA vs World, if Oregon pulls an Arkansas and stops coming, then what will Penn have left?

Plenty. There were hundreds of races that didn't have Oregon in them and tens of thousands of fans who didn't care one bit about Oregon. What, are they going to stop recruiting on the east coast? Because one athlete ran like an ass once and a few dozen people on the internet said he did? Oregon needs Penn more than Penn needs Oregon.

rojo wrote:

One more thing to all of the foolish critics.

Another option. Oregon stops coming all together as they don't want the gripe from you all. Without USA vs World, if Oregon pulls an Arkansas and stops coming, then what will Penn have left?

Young foolish man, the Penn Relays has had a rich history long before Oregon, long before USA vs World, long before you were even born.

Really? Boo hoo for Oregon, so we should not criticize Ches and his tactics because why? Everyone else gets lit up on here when something stupid happens. And Cheserek is the darling of the boards most of the time and even has some stupid nick name someone gave him sometime.

Oh no? They may not come if folks make observations on one of the stupidest tactics in Penn Relays history

Whatever will happen? Arkansas does not come because they have no artillery anymore, and are completely over matched.

The post by jsquire could not be more accurate.

TRialswatcher wrote:

You could not be more wrong, he is NOT an 800 runner, and if he was in a set up last year he would have run under 3:40 easily

He has run 1:46.77 once ever. He is much more effective at 1500

Woulda coulda shoulda hypocrite. He didn't so he couldn't, that's your mantra. No surprise here. King99 showing his track knowledge hypocrisy.

Wiliamsz just showed insane speed on his 800 legs going into an all out sprint the last 100 while running 1:48. He was in at least 1:46 shape today.

Williamsz himself says he is an 800 runner. He just proved that's true. He choose to only run 800/1000 in real races last year late summer. Why? Because he's an 800 guy.

anybody have a vid of the race?

rojo wrote:

One more thing to all of the foolish critics.

Another option. Oregon stops coming all together as they don't want the gripe from you all. Without USA vs World, if Oregon pulls an Arkansas and stops coming, then what will Penn have left?

This is so dumb... I mean really...

So Oregon's coaching staff will be so upset by commenters on LetsRun that they will take PENN RELAYS off the schedule. Right.

And then, the thousands of people who attend Penn every year will look at the entries and say "wait a minute... no Oregon? Well then what the hell is the point??!!" and the event will begin to slowly fade into obscurity. All the jamaican teams, the high school relays, not to mention other great college teams like Nova and Gtown and Texas, etc... none of that is worth watching? I mean seriously Rojo, have you ever even BEEN to Penn Relays before?

Reuben sure knows wrote:

John McDonnell would literally have murdered me had I done that.

Ditto Gags. I once heard Gags berate a senior who ran an anchor leg and sat on a freshman and outkicked him. I think it went "Son, champions can win from the front!"

That said, I don't fault Cheserek's tactics in principle, but bull-headedly refusing to lead even at 4:30+ mile pace when you had a potential collegiate record in progress does seem almost - how shall I put this? - uhhh, chicken.

malmo wrote:

avidviewer wrote:

Those tactics in the Penn men's 4x1 Mile were the most ridiculous I've ever seen. They almost came to a stop. Oregon deserved to lose. The entire Oregon program should be humiliated. That was ugly.

Agreed. It was an epic race until the last leg. The Oregon pricks deserved to lose, and all the ridicule that goes with it.

Your comment reveals your character, or lack of, once again, "Malmo."

Sounds like Edward over interpreted coaches directions towards tactics and dumbly tried to turn it into a 10,000 meter race. Certainly dumb and the results speak for themselves.

None of these college kids are "pricks," Malmo. You however, certainly resemble that descriptions to a T.

They're college kids Malmo, and if you had dinner with all of them, you'd come away thinking they are great young people -- and serious students to boot.

The Oregon program these days only admits very straight-laced kids, and drop any kids that are characters or drama queens, or "pricks." --Those who've been following along know which kids have been asked to leave, or dropped. (I personally believe they deserved counseling and second chances, because well, we had a team full of characters doing wild sht back in the old wild west "classic" days.

It's enough to say the tactic was dumb, dumb, dumb, as well as out of character, and I am sure Andy Powell has had a talk with the kid about what his instructions really meant, and is probably embarrassed himself, and it has been a lesson learned for all involved.

Congrats to the victors for overcoming the nonsense.

And by NCAA regionals, just like every year, the Penn Relays will be long forgotten.

Enjoy the Sport!

rojo wrote:

Speaking of Jenkins, where the hell is he? Is he hurt?

Trevor Dunbar last week-- "Like working out with @_EricJenkins because I feel tan. Dislike working out with @_EricJenkins because I feel slow."

Plus this weekend--

Williamsz ran 1:49.09 , NOT the incorrect 1:48 the FloTrack genius gave you.

They are THE worst announcers in history and make Larry Rawson seem like an all timer. Plus they never give you splits let alone accurate ones.

Laseter and Joe White a frosh ran 1:47.xx

Get a clue. Just because you figure out who I am gives you no more insight as to what Williamsz is , as a runner. Better yet, ask Malmo what Jordy Williamz is, he gets it and knows more than you do.

I will tell you what though, I will give you a break. If he breaks 3:36.00 before he breaks 1:46 , what would you say his is? Again, he has broken 1:47.00 once, American HS'ers have run 1:47.x

Always trying to turn things around if we aren't kissing the ass of the Ducks, aren't you Eric? The arrogant, Oregon pricks deserved to lose. Simple.Live with it.

This is sad, anyone could have taken it out, stop trying to blame it all on one kid. Everyone was perfectly content to go along with the pace

Everyonesfault wrote:

This is sad, anyone could have taken it out, stop trying to blame it all on one kid. Everyone was perfectly content to go along with the pace

That's a fair point. But when you're 40 meters ahead you don't let everyone, including Oprah, back in the race.

rojo wrote:

One more thing to all of the foolish critics.

Another option. Oregon stops coming all together as they don't want the gripe from you all. Without USA vs World, if Oregon pulls an Arkansas and stops coming, then what will Penn have left?

Umm gee i dont know, how about? Nova, Georgetown, Stanford, Penn State, and most other reputable D-1 programs What kind of idiotic comment is that?

TRialswatcher wrote:

Williamsz ran 1:49.09 , NOT the incorrect 1:48 the FloTrack genius gave you.

They are THE worst announcers in history and make Larry Rawson seem like an all timer. Plus they never give you splits let alone accurate ones.

Laseter and Joe White a frosh ran 1:47.xx

Get a clue. Just because you figure out who I am gives you no more insight as to what Williamsz is , as a runner. Better yet, ask Malmo what Jordy Williamz is, he gets it and knows more than you do.

I will tell you what though, I will give you a break. If he breaks 3:36.00 before he breaks 1:46 , what would you say his is? Again, he has broken 1:47.00 once, American HS'ers have run 1:47.x

What does HS kids times have to do with anything? Webb also ran a 3:36 equivalent in his best race. Jordy showed today that breaking 1:46 is likely. You obviously didn't watch the race and see how effortlessly he left everyone in the dust with multiple gear changes simultaneously in the last 100 He's in 1:46 shape right now. Get his last 100 meter split and try and argue he's a 1500 runner.

And why would I ask Malmo? i can just ask Jordy who will tell you he's an 800 runner.

"A Duck"-have you personally interviewed and screened all of the Oregon kids before they come in? Do you host weekly dinners with them? Obviously every year at least one kid that qualifies for Footlocker nationals ends up at Oregon so I'm not throwing any particular names out by saying this... But, when I made footlocker nationals not too long ago I had to spend time with one of the to be Ducks and I can tell you that the word "prick" could only begin to describe him. These kids aren't attending a top 25 university, let alone a top 25 public university, so they definitely don't have to deal with the academic stress that some of the guys at a school like Stanford have to. They are pampered by Nike, and have very low academic stress being placed on them at a school like Oregon.

Talk about a beaver fest all the way around.

Chez is the big dog in the field and all feared getting outkicked from behind.....WEAK.

The rest of the major players, were so afraid of Chez doing what he always does, they forfeited any decent chance they had at a respectable performance....WEAK.

Respect yourself, respect the sport, respect the talent you have and give a worthy effort proportional to how much of the above you have.

I'm fine with modifying tactics within reason, but shift on the fly, don't just shut it all down if plan "A" isn't there.