Can Fisher get Webb's 3:53 high school mile record?

Webb won US titles, Diamond League races, was an Olympian, an American record holder in multiple events, US leader in lots of events, and yet "a couple NCAA titles and contending for the US 1500 as a pro" won't happen for Grant if he trains that hard.

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I totally agree with NOP Skeptic.

To Cooptastic: Webb, was physically far more developed than Fisher in their respective senior years. Webb, had been trained much harder than Fisher while in HS. Fisher decided to solely focus on cross country and track this year (his senior year). Prior to his senior year he juggled year-round soccer and running and studies. Lets remember he is going to Stanford. The study component of his HS years must have been equally as strenuous as his athletics. Webb may have already had the notion of going pro in his teens. If so, that may explain the intensity to his HS and limited college duration. Fisher reportedly trains 40 to 50 miles per week and hasn't been subjected to much, if any, taxing speed work. His coach has already mentioned these next points: his mileage and intensity and recovery aspects of his training will increase this year. Maybe we just witnessed such in his race at NB National Indoors. But clearly he doesn't have the training background, physical development, and coaching that enables or wants to push for such an effort. Seems to me that Fisher is surrounded by smart people that have a balanced approach based on who he is, where he has come from and developing (or under developing him) for success in the future.

Seems to me the kid has come along just fine without the need to push the envelop for risk of burn-out or injury etc. Listening to his interviews the kid is incredibly well put together, thoughtful, and happy. When the lofty expectations are thrown at him he very maturely and politely diminishes them - he runs for himself and loves what he is doing. As a fan of track and the amazing young talent we have in the USA, let's not over train them to chase stratospheric records.

I am afraid that Grant is no good enough triathlon to break 4 in high school.

Fine Ag wrote:

Definitely, dropping 10 seconds in the mile at that level is pretty common. I also think Webb himself will win the gold in the 800 at Rio.

I chuckled sensibly.

1) "In the past" the kids didn't run an indoor 4:01 solo effort (which would have been a PR) in March. 2) The other kids weren't as incredibly consistent as Fisher (4:07-4:06-4:05-4:03 (4:01 effort) while battling a MI winter which surely hasn't allowed him to do the type of speed/strength sessions that he will be doing in May. Most of the others would have had to peak just right and have a perfect day to make it happen. 3) And, of course, the other kids weren't also the 2-time defending Footlocker champion, absolutely destroying everyone else over the last 800m (including kids that just ran 8:48 for 2 miles) a few months ago.

DiscoGary wrote:

Do we really have a situation where everyone assumes that Fisher is going sub 4 outdoors?

I wouldn't argue with that, but in the past predicting that the next phenom would go sub 4 usually made people look foolish. Now it seems like everyone's on board.

borb.likes.dogs wrote:

he ran 4:03 indoors today while almost falling..

He doesn't have the 400 speed that Webb had. i believe he is as good as Webb was aerobically, but he's just simply not as fast. Webb ran 47 & 1:47 or something like that in HS. Fisher would need to have 1:48/9 at least to approach Webb

so many times wrote:

davidthe.moose wrote:

Im gonna say he runs a 3;58 outdoors.. But what do i know, I'm just a moose.

A self hating moose. This is why you meese never get ahead.

It's actually 'mooctopi'

1) LV ran 4:03.88 indoor for the full mile Feb 5th 2011

2) LV was incredibly consistent

3) LV was two time Footlocker champion and destroyed everyone

... and he still barely broke 4 outdoor in the mile, under crappy conditions though. It's not a slam dunk.

I think Fisher's got a great chance to go under 4, and I hope he does it, but I don't think the 3:53 record is in play.

Also, Cheserek ran 4:03.29 outdoor as a sophmore, and 4:02.21 indoor as a junior and never got close to going under 4 after that. There have been guys who seemed to be knocking at the door, but who never get into the sub-4 club.

Records were made to be broken. But not Alan Webb's.

Records were made to be broken. Even Alan Webb's.

Yes. Yes He Can. wrote:

Records were made to be broken. Even Alan Webb's.

I will bet you all the money.

Okay, based on my claim, Alan Webb's record can be broken. There is no time limit because my claim doesn't make one.

So after I give you the reasons why the Fisher situation is being viewed differently than the "other guys" that may have been "knocking on the sub-4 door (only to fail)", you only come back with Lukas and Ches responses? One of which did break 4:00 on a crappy weather day, and the other who obviously could have broken 4:00 if his coaches wanted him to go for it (which they didn't).The "others" I thought you may have been alluding to were kids that didn't have the cross country strength, but happened to have some legspeed and popped off some low-4:00 magical race as a junior. It happens every few years, and some people extrapolate a sub-4:00 because of one performance from the year prior. Fisher, Lukas, and Ches do not fall into that category for the reasons I listed in my previous post. They have the strength. All the time. They are just that good.And no, I don't think 3:53 is in range. I'd like to see how far under 8:40 he can get for 2 miles though. Can't think of a reason why he couldn't match German's 8:34 in an all-high school race. Fisher was jogging for 3000m of that 8:51 last year.

DiscoGary wrote:

Also, Cheserek ran 4:03.29 outdoor as a sophmore, and 4:02.21 indoor as a junior and never got close to going under 4 after that. There have been guys who seemed to be knocking at the door, but who never get into the sub-4 club.