Message Board Proposals

The locked thread for Q&As on running is really more important, in my point of view.

But, that I have Ah and Catman convulsively attempting to shoot it down makes me think that it is a better idea than I originally thought(smile).

If you know about Dyestat's moderators, then it isn't exactly anonymous is it?

1. I don't think you understand where I'm coming from. I don't have a problem with Wejo promoting his own agenda. What I have a problem with is other individuals with hand me down powers who may in essence end up censoring posts that benefit their own agenda and not Wejo's. In all reality, it shouldn't matter what is posted as long as it is truthful or just an opinion based on facts. But when someone suggests they become a moderator I question their real motive in whether or not it is in helping the real moderator preserve their interests and whether or not that is even possible.

2. Let's say someone like yourself feels indebted to the high school system and doesn't agree with my posts? What stops you from deleting my posts and banning me? I get banned from other chatboards not because I write inappropriate or slanderous posts. I get banned because my difference in philosophy incites hard core high school supporters into writing slanderous and inappropriate posts. But they don't get banned because the moderators support their view of high school running, and they think their tactics may prove successful in eliminating unwanted posters who don't agree with their philosophies.

I really like the lay out of this board. I like the fact that it isn't ridiculously moderated like dyestat. I hate the fact that if a post isn't G-rated, odds are it will get deleted quick at dyestat. One can't even use the word screw without it being edited.

Obviously, people who come to this site are interested in talking about running. But people also come here to be able to talk about other things with other runners. It is funny to read some of the other posts. Sure, talking about getting handjobs in Bangkok (part of JasonInSomewhere's latest posts) doesn't have a whole lot to do about running. But I found it funny as hell. So, I think there definitely should be some sort of forum for where anything (or vitually anything goes). And contrary to what some believe, it isn't just "pimply-faced high schoolers" who want that. I'm out of college and I still think it is funny to be able to read and post stuff like that if desired. And if people don't want to see that...well, don't read it. Nobody makes you get porn at the newstand, but they better freaking keep selling it!

I really like the idea of a few important threads staying at the top of the page. Just some ideas:

1. Training Advice

2. Racing Advice

3. Racing Results

4. Tips from the Top (posts and questions from the elites, close to elites, and coaches who post on here)

I don't like the idea of limiting posts. Sometimes a really good topic can get going and that would just hinder it.

Registering might be a pretty good idea.

Sure some people are going to get annoyed and offended with certain posts. Well, toughen up a little. It's the fact that one can go on here and feel free to post pretty much what they want that makes this a great site.

Anyway, please keep up the good work.

Look, you're making the process of moderating more difficult than it is. I am sure Wejo (and/or his compadres) would have pretty basic guidelines they would use. If a moderator can not help themselves bc they are so emotionally disturbed in some disagreement and end up banning/deleting, then they suck at moderating and should be replaced. Personally, I think it would easy for some on the board to work towards making LR a better place. I never suggested that I be one of Wejo's minions, and if you know that You could not handle the responsibility, it doesn't mean others couldn't. Again, if Wejo didn't like a certain moderator's action... easy to fix... buh-bye.

Now, stop tossing softballs and give me some real reasons why it wouldn't work well.

Anti-HS system?? You know what, me too!! It's disgraceful how many times the linebackers' coach ends up being stuck with XC... OK, typical week.... Monday - 200s, Tuesday - Hills, Wed - 400s baby!; Thursday - Dual meet (just run hard enough to win); Friday - taper/off; Saturday - treat every meet like the state meet / bust your gut!

But, Ah, I thought you wanted everyone to quit... at least that's what I've read.

But, again, I think the locked thread is more important.

Anybody else want to chime in? Discussing things with Ah / Catman is growing stale.

Morceli1978 -

Great post. Over-moderation would suck. Letsrun has its "no-holds-barred" identity that needs to be kept. It is only infrequently that this "freedom" is abused.

I like the suggestions for the multiple-locked threads.

Wejo - seems to be common consensus that locked thread(s) on top of one board would work best.

Oops... I think I may have gone over my 5post limit.

You still don't get it do you? There are no basic guidelines when dealing with subjective posts. Many times the crossed line is dependent upon the moderators personal views. You can't escape that scenario and Dyestat's board is run moreso by personal agenda, not professional.

I personally think that steveu is emotionally disturbed. But he won't get fired because his personal agenda and hatred towards those who post against high school training systems is viewed as beneficial to the site. The only way they can really be held accountable is when their actions are exposed on other websites. So I do disagree with you when you say that Jumer's post should have been deleted and simply made out to be some false malicious personal attack. Dyestat moderators read this board; they could have easily denied the racist accusations but they didn't. However, they have denied other things that turned out to be false. But the racist accusations and the foundations that they were built upon were never denied. It's hard to deny something that is true. And if you try to deny something that can be proven true, and for some reason you wind up getting sued, those posts you made denying the accusations would end up used against them in destroying all their credibility in court. Just because you didn't see the posts doesn't make the accusations false, nor does it make it a reason to delete the post or ban the poster.

JEH wrote:

Wejo - seems to be common consensus that locked thread(s) on top of one board would work best.

Really? I'm inclined toward the more free-wheeling system currently in place.

I am quite sure I am not the one "not getting it".

If Jumer had initiated and posted on one thread.. maybe even two, fine! GREAT! IT STAYS! But 20 threads, and interrupting every other thread with his special, so-important bulletin... no... I think any reasonable individual would agree that this behavior was uncalled for not for what it said but for how it treated everyone else in the LR community... it shouted out "what I have to say is more important than what any of you have to say."

Oldguy, you don't like the locked thread(s) idea? How would it affect the free-wheelingness? If you don't like it OK, I still like what you've got to say just about every time (save this time). 3 or 4 votes on this thread to 1 then.

Captain Haddock,

How about an automatic ban for anyone who types "masturbating".

:-)

1) Too many message boards can get cluttered and make it hard to find topics. I go to many differet message boards that have 25 different forums, yet I still only go to one of them. It is just way too much to sort through.

2) As long as somebody is posting relevant information, then I don't feel that they should be limited in how many times they can post a day.

3) The best suggestion I can come up with is try to get knowledgable guys like JK and Malmo to come on here more often. They seem to get/give better responses that promote the well being of the board. Maybe even try to find a few elites to post once in a while that aren't afraid to let everybody know who they are. You can maybe reserve the names like Bob Kennedy or Paula Radcliffe (those are just a couple examples, for the morons on this board) only for them to use, and make it known that they are not imposters spatting out rot.

Okay, so maybe Jumer went over the line in spamming the racist idea of moderation by Dyestat. Perhaps he was incensed by this idea and wanted to ensure everyone got the message by posting it in every thread. Perhaps he thought it would be too easy for a moderator who might have taken it personal to delete one thread as opposed to deleting posts on 50 different threads. I guess Jumer thought it was that important to ensure the truth was exposed about Dyestat to everyone before he learned that unjustified censorship was also of the norm on Letsrun.

My vote for moderators (in no particular order):

JEH

oldguy

Bubba

Portland Runner

The above have shown a combination of fairness, humor, maturity, and thirst for running knowledge along with a regular presence here.

I know it won't happen - just my vote if it were to.

Dyestat didn't refute the race accusation because it was untrue and retarded.

JEH all your propasals and silly. OK--maybe there should be compartmental forums--but only to get people to post MORE! The registrating idea also stinks. I have no problem with a person changing their identity because they stuck their foot in their mouths--which Ah come to help has obviously done on numerous occasions.

Yeah a bunch of forums is a bad idea.

Why wasn't I included in your list Willy? I know--you have a problem sticking to the facts and being consistant and people like me pointing that out--such as you saying you are 40 and that weight lifting is easy. I know you hate that hehehehe.

catman wrote:

Dyestat didn't refute the race accusation because it was untrue and retarded.

I disagree with your OPINION completely. They have denied every other thing brought up against them on Letsrun except for the racist accusation. Furthermore, I know for a fact that Jumer's accusations were true because I saw them myself. They could have denied being racist but they couldn't deny the foundation upon which the racist accusations were being made because there are too many people who are witnesses to those posts.

Don't you remember OJ Simpson's post on JJ having a dejected picture of him finishing last on the Dyestat front page? I've NEVER seen any newspaper show a picture of some high school runner and subsequently highlighting the fact that they got last place. And he just so happened to be black. HOWEVER, prior to that when someone had mentioned Sara Bei, a white girl not qualifying, that individual was immediately banned, even though nothing personal was ever said against the girl. Dye later posted a picture of Ryan Hall after his bad race, but I have no doubt this was done only to try to cover himself on the JJ debacle.

wejo wrote:

Couple of questions:

1) Should we create some new message boards? Perhaps there should be a board for specifically DII and DIII collegiate running as there is no place for that info.

2) Should be limit how many times people can post a day? I swear some people post like 25 times a day. I think 5 posts a day might be reasonable. I bet 3 or 4 people post like 50% of the messages.

3) Any more suggestions?

Wejo

Heavy moderation/control is usually enough to kill off a decent board because most people don't like the idea of censorship.

An occaisional slap like getting a thread wiped is usually enough to stop someone getting too much of a pain and I guess that includes myself as you wiped my stuff once or twice even though it was no more "offensive" than a lot of stupid stuff put up by guys.

But I think most people would rather take their chances and see stuff they don't like or disagree with on a free board than have some sterile "discussion" where nothing gets posted that ain't approved by the He-Moderator or She-Moderator because that sucks worst of all.

Edith

catman wrote:

Dyestat didn't refute the race accusation because it was untrue and retarded.

JEH all your propasals and silly. OK--maybe there should be compartmental forums--but only to get people to post MORE! The registrating idea also stinks. I have no problem with a person changing their identity because they stuck their foot in their mouths--which Ah come to help has obviously done on numerous occasions.

Cahtman, this is where you show obvious inferiority to my superiority in intelligence. First of all, it is highly unlikely that some guy would post a whole bunch of character defamation insults against someone, including showing his picture, if he didn't know for sure that it could be proven. Secondly, I don't remember the poster labeling Dyestat or any moderator as racist. I think that was the implication of the reader based on exposing that they did indeed harass a MINORITY. That's why they never denied it, because the accusations they were accused of were indeed truthful, but it was up to the reader to decipher whether or not it was racially motivated. Thirdly, this is my only screen name on this board. Fourthly, "propasals" is spelled "proposals."