Doesn't Surprise Me wrote:
You may wan to recheck that, bro.
Wow. Well, it wasn't happening with me or anyone I knew on the men's or women's team. Maybe I was just an idiot. Listen, I am not defending this. I am sickened and embarrassed by it.
Doesn't Surprise Me wrote:
You may wan to recheck that, bro.
Wow. Well, it wasn't happening with me or anyone I knew on the men's or women's team. Maybe I was just an idiot. Listen, I am not defending this. I am sickened and embarrassed by it.
Footballer wrote:
I generally agree with your sentiments, but the NCAA is not forcing schools to do what UNC did - set up a system to keep athletes eligible. This is a school issue. No one says you have to do it the way UNC does, and not every school does.
Again, I am not defending UNC, but the NCAA is the root of the problem. I say clear house at UNC.
The schools NOT doing these types of things are not NCAA powerhouses. If you think they are, you are fooling yourself. To say the NCAA is not involved is similar to saying that the corrupt lobbying is not a problem in US Congress. The problems are ingrained and widespread. The system is broken. No one will talk about it because too many people make money off of it. The public doesn't demand change because they like big hits and LSU/Bama games. So the kids get thrown under the bus and the cycle repeats itself. As much as I love UNC basketball, I say fire Roy Williams and indict Dick Baddour. Take down the top men who make this all happen.
On a related note: UNC fires the AFAM professor (and he is indicted), but we all know that he was just following orders. You really think that he cared so much about UNC sports that he did this on his own? It is sickening.
Last post, I promise.
UNC has an opportunity to make things right. They should lead by example.
"As a graduate student at UNC-Greensboro, Willingham researched the reading levels of 183 UNC-Chapel Hill athletes who played football or basketball from 2004 to 2012. She found that 60% read between fourth- and eighth-grade levels. Between 8% and 10% read below a third-grade level."
http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/07/us/ncaa-athletes-reading-scores/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
i B, he B, we B wrote:
"As a graduate student at UNC-Greensboro, Willingham researched the reading levels of 183 UNC-Chapel Hill athletes who played football or basketball from 2004 to 2012. She found that 60% read between fourth- and eighth-grade levels. Between 8% and 10% read below a third-grade level."
http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/07/us/ncaa-athletes-reading-scores/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
her claims have been debunked.
lots of schools admit a lot more athletes who can't read at the college level than UNC does
Parts of this story came up before. I remember reading on here about the Rosa Parks plagiarized essay (or paragraph) that got a student an A-.
A Sham. A Sham. Is My School a Sham?
Ha Ha! Some entrepreneur acted pretty quickly on this. Children's book on UNC cheating.
readingisFUNdamental wrote:
i B, he B, we B wrote:"As a graduate student at UNC-Greensboro, Willingham researched the reading levels of 183 UNC-Chapel Hill athletes who played football or basketball from 2004 to 2012. She found that 60% read between fourth- and eighth-grade levels. Between 8% and 10% read below a third-grade level."
http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/07/us/ncaa-athletes-reading-scores/index.html?hpt=hp_t1her claims have been debunked.
lots of schools admit a lot more athletes who can't read at the college level than UNC does
Source?
readingisFUNdamental wrote:
lots of schools admit a lot more athletes who can't read at the college level than UNC does
Identify them and provide precise numbers. We're waiting.
I ran track at KU in the early 2000s. On a few occasions I witnessed athletic department tutors writing essays for the football players while the player slept. This probably happened for the basketball players too but I never saw it.
how come nobody has asked if shalane was part of this?
I saw Coach K give a speech a while back, and during the question and answer portion, someone asked him about schools negatively recruiting against him. He responded that the most common thing opposing coaches tell kids he's recruiting is "If you go to Duke, you'll actually have to go to class and do school work." I thought Coach K's response was priceless. He said, "We just tell the kid, 'So what are they saying? That you're too dumb to succeed academically? We happen to think you are intelligent and we believe you can perform academically at Duke.'"
I'm not necessarily a Duke fan and I'm sure their basketball kids take softer classes than the average student, but at least I think their classes are legitimate. I've certainly never seen a Duke basketball player or alum interviewed over the years that sounded anything like Winston did last year in his post-game interview after Florida State won the National Championship in football.
This goes on at most major universities. As long as the athletic department continues to make the kind of revenue they do on the backs of the athletes who are working at virtually no cost to the university, it will continue to happen. It's a victim less crime as far as the university is concerned.
Soft or easy classes go on at other schools, sure. But I doubt that a system of fake classes, fake grades, and fake majors happens at MOST major universities.
Not unique wrote:
This goes on at most major universities. As long as the athletic department continues to make the kind of revenue they do on the backs of the athletes who are working at virtually no cost to the university, it will continue to happen. It's a victim less crime as far as the university is concerned.
I have first hand knowledge of at least six with similar situations. They didn't need to have the set up at home 10 years ago because everyone knew you just needed to pay for correspondence courses at BYU, but since that is now regulated after a scandal more and more schools have set ups like these. Very unfortunate, but it comes down to the almighty dollar. If there were ever a class action lawsuit where athletes could get paid for leaking info you'd see cases like this come out of the woodwork.
Compared to what happened at Penn State,this is nothing.There is no Professor
here taking showers with little boys.
lpd wrote:
Compared to what happened at Penn State,this is nothing.There is no Professor
here taking showers with little boys.
The attitude that got Sandusky's proclivities swept under the rug is the same that got UNC in this mess. Money and winning is more important than integrity.
Duke fans will laugh at this, but how do you think their football team got so good overnight? Some Carolina fans will defend it, saying other schools do the same thing. Do they care what this does to the value of their degree? Or that athletes who couldn't read at the eighth grade level also have a bachelor's from Carolina?
shrink wrapped wrote:
how come nobody has asked if shalane was part of this?
I know that I am just a person on LRC, but in the hope of quelling this kind of a rumor, I will say that Shalane is very intelligent and actually cared - a lot - about her schoolwork. I was a teammate of hers at UNC for a number of years.
Why don't you come forward? It's people like you who let things like this continue. Shame on you.I really think you are just blowing smoke though.
Not unique wrote:
I have first hand knowledge of at least six with similar situations. They didn't need to have the set up at home 10 years ago because everyone knew you just needed to pay for correspondence courses at BYU, but since that is now regulated after a scandal more and more schools have set ups like these. Very unfortunate, but it comes down to the almighty dollar. If there were ever a class action lawsuit where athletes could get paid for leaking info you'd see cases like this come out of the woodwork.
