Ho Hum wrote:
Is it fine for me to sit in the middle of the lap lanes at the pool because you can jump in any old pond?
Is it a public pool, or are you paying to go there? If you're paying, are there rules?
If the pool is open to the public, and you're not agreeing to any rules by being there (like the pond), then sure, do what you want.
if you're going to talk about track etiquette, why not film at the track?
when you deal with gym concepts, you seem to film at a gym
the 'talking head' approach doesn't work. just comes across as a rant. you're not going to convince anyone.
I feel the need to respond to this because, as a speedwalker and runner, I, and other walkers, sometimes do need a modicum of accuracy for my walking times. Sure, I could use an equivalency table, which I do for when I walk in lane 7 or 8, but, if, for instance, I am trying for a walking PR (currently about 31:20 in training for a 5K), you can be sure that I would wish to have the easiest tangents for my focal point.
When I run around the track, I usually end up passing around people who are walking in lane 1. It's about courtesy and about general manners. How will it hurt us as runners to take a few extra steps to go around someone in training. In TRAINING. We won't have to go around them in a race. Grow up, people.
-Mike
[quote]I Am Me wrote:
On the track, considering 400m is a relatively important increment of distance for RUNNERS but not WALKERS, it should seem obvious that the rule is for runners only to be allowed on that lane.
Why would a walker care if he/she walked 400m or 446m?
99% of all of us here are not Olympians, or even top age groupers. Your workout is not more important than mine, his, hers, or my dog's. Stop it. Stop it. Stop it.It's a public track. They are public tracks. Just. STOP.-Mike
Bad Wigins wrote:
Maybe not so strange wrote:Also, most tracks, at least in my area, have signs up that say something along the lines of:
Lanes 1 & 2: Runners Only
Meaning the outer lanes are multi-purpose, or what? How are sprinters supposed to get any workouts done with people wandering around in the outer lanes?
Maybe it has been lost in the past two decades are so, but it used to be common knowledge that the outer lanes are better for speedwork. Nobody wants to sprint in lane 1, that's nuts. And you don't want to have to drift wide several times per lap to pass people in lane 1. So lane 1 should default to whoever's not running fast, and the outer lanes to whoever is.
What the signs should say is:
1: tracks are for running, particularly running fast. No bicycles or other vehicles. Walkers outside lane 8 only. Joggers lane 8 only. Speed sessions have priority for lanes 2 through 7.
2: Pay attention. Act as if the track were a street and the runners were cars. Look both ways before crossing. Be aware of and respond to warnings from passing traffic. The universal warning that you are in someone's way is "track!"
Sprinters run in excess of 20 miles per hour. They require at least 30 meters to decelerate safely. Even if they avoid colliding with you, they may be injured in the process.
3: tracks are very expensive. Please help preserve this track by using it only for activities that can not be done on other surfaces.
People (usually non-competitive guys) trying to have complete conversations with me during races. um
Speedwalker and runner wrote:
99% of all of us here are not Olympians, or even top age groupers. Your workout is not more important than mine, his, hers, or my dog's. Stop it. Stop it. Stop it.
It's a public track. They are public tracks. Just. STOP.
-Mike
It's called a running track, not a jogging track or a speedwalking track, etc. You know why they built it. No one is saying they don't want to share it, they're just saying they find it irritating when people don't understand track etiquette.
xenonscreams wrote:
People (usually non-competitive guys) trying to have complete conversations with me during races. um
If they're non-competitive, but are able to have a conversation while running at your race pace, what does that make you?
"Don't get me wrong, I also enjoy running in lane 1, but it bothers me when people act as if it's their divine right to be there. It gives runners a bad name. It's not like your workout will be ruined if you have to run in lane 2."
-I found you! you're the bonehead that thinks it's his "right" to drive slow in the left lane on the highway.
in the ditch wrote:
"Don't get me wrong, I also enjoy running in lane 1, but it bothers me when people act as if it's their divine right to be there. It gives runners a bad name. It's not like your workout will be ruined if you have to run in lane 2."
-I found you! you're the bonehead that thinks it's his "right" to drive slow in the left lane on the highway.
Driving anywhere isn't a right, it's a privilege. As long as you have the privilege, you can do it wherever you want as long as it's legal.
Bad Wigins wrote:
Sprinters run in excess of 20 miles per hour. They require at least 30 meters to decelerate safely. Even if they avoid colliding with you, they may be injured in the process.
99% of walkers could not care less if you get injured while trying to avoid a collision. Half of them would probably curse at you for causing danger. You might face a civil law suit (for their psychological damage) or a criminal charge (attempted assault) even if there is no actual collision.
Whenever you see walkers on a track, avoid them as if they were plague. The fatter they are, the more dangerous they are to you.
No Way wrote:
Ho Hum wrote:Is it fine for me to sit in the middle of the lap lanes at the pool because you can jump in any old pond?
Is it a public pool, or are you paying to go there? If you're paying, are there rules?
If the pool is open to the public, and you're not agreeing to any rules by being there (like the pond), then sure, do what you want.
Christ
You are such a fvcking moron
Fvck off
Idiot
No Way wrote:
in the ditch wrote:"Don't get me wrong, I also enjoy running in lane 1, but it bothers me when people act as if it's their divine right to be there. It gives runners a bad name. It's not like your workout will be ruined if you have to run in lane 2."
-I found you! you're the bonehead that thinks it's his "right" to drive slow in the left lane on the highway.
Driving anywhere isn't a right, it's a privilege. As long as you have the privilege, you can do it wherever you want as long as it's legal.
No one is talking about legality idiot
They are talking about common fvcking sense, something you haven't an ounce of in your pea brain
gatherer of quotes wrote:
No Way wrote:Is it a public pool, or are you paying to go there? If you're paying, are there rules?
If the pool is open to the public, and you're not agreeing to any rules by being there (like the pond), then sure, do what you want.
Christ
You are such a fvcking moron
Fvck off
Idiot
Sorry not everyone plays by your rules. You must be a real joy on the playground.
No Way wrote:
Sorry not everyone plays by your rules. You must be a real joy on the playground.
Well at least I know that the playground is for children. Given your difficulties in understanding other social norms and appropriate public behavior I suppose that's not surprising though.
The problem with people walking in lane 1 is that it's just completely unnecessary. They don't need to be there, whereas I absolutely need the first lane if I'm doing anything over 500m. It shows a total lack of courtesy on their part.
In a perfect world, these would be my universal track rules, posted at every running track in the world:
1. Pay attention! Treat the track as if it were a road. Check behind you before switching lanes.
2. Faster traffic has the right of way. It is the responsibility of walkers and joggers to get out of the way of faster runners.
3. No dogs (why on god's green earth you would walk your dog around a track is beyond me)
4. No unsupervised children. This track is not a playground
5. Be nice! There are 6-8 lanes on a track, there is space for everyone.
Don't even get me started on indoor tracks, they are a nightmare.
Bonkers wrote:
The problem with people walking in lane 1 is that it's just completely unnecessary. They don't need to be there, whereas I absolutely need the first lane if I'm doing anything over 500m. It shows a total lack of courtesy on their part.
This is the problem.
Why do you absolutely need to be there?
Well said.
Bonkers wrote:
The problem with people walking in lane 1 is that it's just completely unnecessary. They don't need to be there, whereas I absolutely need the first lane if I'm doing anything over 500m. It shows a total lack of courtesy on their part.
In a perfect world, these would be my universal track rules, posted at every running track in the world:
1. Pay attention! Treat the track as if it were a road. Check behind you before switching lanes.
2. Faster traffic has the right of way. It is the responsibility of walkers and joggers to get out of the way of faster runners.
3. No dogs (why on god's green earth you would walk your dog around a track is beyond me)
4. No unsupervised children. This track is not a playground
5. Be nice! There are 6-8 lanes on a track, there is space for everyone.
Don't even get me started on indoor tracks, they are a nightmare.
Yeah..About that... wrote:
xenonscreams wrote:People (usually non-competitive guys) trying to have complete conversations with me during races. um
If they're non-competitive, but are able to have a conversation while running at your race pace, what does that make you?
A locally competitive but non-elite woman
Bonkers wrote:In a perfect world, these would be my universal track rules, posted at every running track in the world:
In a perfect world, people actually read those rules and follow them. In the real world, half of the people don't read the posted rules and another quarter read them but don't follow.
Unless there is some with authority to enforce the rules (and punish the violators) no posted rule would change people's behavior. Rules are for other people, because they are too special to follow them.
general responses to what ive read thus far:
i still stand by, generally, the idea that lane one should not be for walking. as someone stated if you are doing a speedwalking time trial that is understandable but in general most people walking are just trying to get a little more exercise in and i feel that they should be at least in lane 3.
however, i would in no way advocate shoving someone or physically contacting them in any way if they stay in lane one. after a repeat or during a rest interval i would ask them if they could move to an outside lane (again if walking). if you told me you were speed walking and doing a workout for that then fine, you have just as much right to be there.
then if you are jogging i have no real issue with you being on an inner lane. there are many people on the team that i run with that do 400 repeats in around 120 seconds (2:00, 8:00 mile pace). they are still doing a workout and i will always pass them on the outside. i tend to agree with the thought that i would need to pass slower people in a race situation so why not do it on the track (again though, this excludes walkers, they should be further outside).
again though that being said i will try and move, personally, into lane 2 if i know someone faster then me is coming up from behind me as i do feel the faster individual has the right of way.
in the end i do think it all comes down to courtesy. its just inconsiderate to be driving slowly in the left lane. its inconsiderate to walk in lane one. its inconsiderate to elbow someone for walking in lane one. someone talked about how this whole concept of track etiquette exists to bring some sort of organization to the track and that is 100% something i agree with. otherwise it would be even more chaotic then it is. for example everyone tends to run counter-clockwise. it would be crazy if each person ran differently (a lot more dangerous).