Can any LETSRUN posters who live in Southern Texas, Arizona or New Mexico tell us PRECISELY what is going on down there?

I am the young. Those who made this happen will die not having to watch America, and everything that makes America great, die out of the world too.Of course this country is transforming; we've been protecting and promoting mass illegal immigration for decades. Even (especially) conservative superhero Ronnie Raygun did it.A border can always be drawn if one side is willing and able to defend it. The "able" is without question. The "willing" is not there. What will happen is what the laws of nature and history dictate.

I'm glad you brought this up.I have noticed some of my younger friends defend the nostalgic idea of a static America. You say you recognize change is a coming, well that's good, but do you also recognize which the moral side of an issue and the immoral one. Can you stand outside of all the feverish debates and analyze what is truthful and what is propaganda? It's important you do because if in fact you are young, you've grown up in a culture of declining media, political, cultural and moral literacy, through no fault of your own, has left your generation ill-equipped to know when you're being manipulated. I'm not trying to patronize you, but there is fault everywhere, it's important to see things from a high vantage point to learn who is telling the truth and also for the purpose of being fair which is much more important than being American or anything else.Yes, borders can be drawn and even defended but that doesn't mean they should be. The wars in Africa are a case in point, as is Baltics, and now we've witnessed decades of turmoil from this very issue in the Middle East where thousands of Americans have died because borders were drawn through populations. The result is carnage and waste and at the very mildest, hate.There is a legitimate issue with regulating immigration, but we should analyze whether racial or hateful tones are contaminating policy. We should appeal to higher authority, that of what is good and moral, rather than the merely legalistic since some laws are not always just. And to be intellectually honest, we should address our own hypocrisy especially when our personal and national histories are tainted. Individuals and nations have the right to forget to build anew but not for the purpose discriminating now that the upper hand is held.

down with illegals wrote:

I am the young. Those who made this happen will die not having to watch America, and everything that makes America great, die out of the world too.

Of course this country is transforming; we've been protecting and promoting mass illegal immigration for decades. Even (especially) conservative superhero Ronnie Raygun did it.

A border can always be drawn if one side is willing and able to defend it. The "able" is without question. The "willing" is not there. What will happen is what the laws of nature and history dictate.

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No one said Native Americans weren't ruthless against each other but that was an intramural affair, continentally speaking, where political stasis had been achieved over thousands of years.The arrival of the Europeans changed that. The key idea to remember is they were uninvited. It doesn't matter if the locals were chowing on each other's heads. The point is your ancestors and mine showed up one day and booted them off their land and then said, keep out, this is ours. It's happening, to a much slighter degree now. We committed genocide. What is happening now is an economic migration. Vastly different. Apples vs Oranges, hel! not even the same ball game.

one two three wrote:

Again brother, why do you think the American Indians were sooo innocent?

You do know they were killing and pushing each other off each others land for thousands of years as well.

You do know that there were probably hundreds of tribes that were destroyed by other indian tribes.

You do know that the Indians didn't have war pant and all that good stuff cause they were smoking pipes with each other for thousands of years.

The Indians were no innocent than anyone else.

Again, why do you think they are soooo innocent?

Haha so your logic is that you can only commit genocide against the other if you are from the same continent!

Wow...that is some horse crap.

So if someone from your town came and murdered your family, and then stayed in your house, that is ok ONLY cause they were from your town.

But if someone from the neighboring town came and then murdered the family that murdered your family, that is wrong cause it wasn't "in town murder (genocide)" haha.

Is that really your logic? Wow...

The anti-immigration protesters in Murrieta are shameful. They are getting exactly what they want, attention, federal agents being sent to enable vehicles to get through, news coverage galore. Sad xenophobes trolling America to new heights of idiocy. Great job Tea Party "Patriots," you should be very ashamed of your work.

To answer the actual question:

I live in San Antonio, TX, grew up in a small town about an hour from the border. Best friend is a border patrol agent as well as many guys I went to high school with. Morale is low. They are doing shitty work, taking care of these kids and processing illegals who are trying to get caught to keep them busy. Day to day life for us? You would notice anything different unless you know a BP agent and hear how bad his job sucks right now. The kids are just a distraction to run more drugs across.

It sucks, but what are we going to do? Lock these kids up? Send them back and then they cross again? Rock and a hard place. Many of these agents get paid close to $100k a year though so don't feel too bad for them.

Local authorities don't really do much. I've heard that texas state troopers are helping but must not be around here.

one two three wrote:

I'm not even going to respond as it is such a different issue.

Stop trying to talk about the left hand when I am talking bout the right hand sir.

Well then stop hitting me with your left hand, while you're smacking me with the right.

No.Look up the definition of genocide and post back here what you learn.To be frank, I'm not really following your logic.

one two three wrote:

Haha so your logic is that you can only commit genocide against the other if you are from the same continent!

Wow...that is some horse crap.

So if someone from your town came and murdered your family, and then stayed in your house, that is ok ONLY cause they were from your town.

But if someone from the neighboring town came and then murdered the family that murdered your family, that is wrong cause it wasn't "in town murder (genocide)" haha.

Is that really your logic? Wow...

I don't know how it can any more clear other than the fact that you make no sense with your hypocritical past Indian examples.

If you really think the way things were 600 years ago has any bearing on how things should be now is just crazy.

There is a million things that are different than 600 or even 50 years ago and for good reasons.

Again and again, until you can tell me a one civilized country that has more relaxed immigration laws than what we already have, this includes all of these South American countries, then you have no leg to stand on.

This means that besides the fact that in all these countries, all of these people have voted and have decided into law that what you are asking for regarding immigration is not for them or should be legal, but yet you know better than hundreds of millions of people who voted in these laws.

ok.

Alright Mr. Palestine, go argue the Israel Palestine with someone else, not my cup of tea.

Yicky wrote:

Brother Rojas wrote:

Perhaps, so this isn't awkward for everyone, the nativist anti-immigration folk should be quiet and feel grateful they aren't sent away packing or deported. Don't ya' think?

Since you're so damn generous, how about we drop a busload of these folks off at your house? Surely such a sweet talking charmer like you would be an excellent host. Feel free to feed, house, and pay for their medical care for a few generations.

This.

J.R. wrote:

The borders are ridiculous.

The sooner they're gone, the better.

Ok Nancy, whatever you say.

Spare me because I do not understand the economic side of this. But why can't we allow the immigrants to enter? Process them all as citizens so they start paying taxes. If they are caught without citizenship or at least not in the process of getting it we deport them. Wouldn't it help contribute to economic growth? My first guess to someone's argument against this is that we already have too many people here and we need some control. Or that if we allow all immigration, we would be overrun in droves.

Dazed & Confused wrote:

Spare me because I do not understand the economic side of this. But why can't we allow the immigrants to enter? Process them all as citizens so they start paying taxes. If they are caught without citizenship or at least not in the process of getting it we deport them. Wouldn't it help contribute to economic growth? My first guess to someone's argument against this is that we already have too many people here and we need some control. Or that if we allow all immigration, we would be overrun in droves.

It's a good question. You have to realize, that things are pretty bad in Mexico and other central american countries right now, and if there were a truly open border, we would be dealing with a large number of families crossing into border states. That means our public services (schools, health services, transportation, etc.), would have to deal with an immediate and long-standing increase in demanded services in those areas.

Also, it strikes me funny that we are a nation currently debating raising the minimum wage, but also favor a massive influx of cheap labor from our bordering nations. Do you think that those kids who come here by the thousands, many of whom will need to learn english as a second language, are going to be ready for college or management positions in a company over the next ten years? I genuinely hope that some of them are able to beat the odds, but they are more likely to compete for entry level positions in a nation that increasingly struggles with unemployment. Good luck with that minimum wage hike.

A real plan for controlled immigration, over a long period of time, is a much better scenario. You cannot control that immigration process and the infrastructure demands that come with it, without borders. Just my opinion...

We all know the real reason, just like voter id. laws in NC (you can't use a state-issued UNC, NC State, etc. student id. card to prove identity, but you can use a gun license), Republicans don't want more voters who lean Democrat. That's it, taxes and wages are not overarching factors.

Hingle McCringleberry wrote:

The Getto loser we have as president visiting Texas for 3 fundraisers. Not to visit border. He needs to be impeached -biggest POS ever.

This^^

DAMN YOU OBAMA!!! DAMN YOU TO HELL!!!

You guys know why Central/South America is failing right? We straight up used the Monroe Doctrine as an excuse to politically rape those governments. We were all about those nations being independent from European colonization until we developed this ridiculous paranoia of communism. Yeah sure we instilled democratic systems down there at first. That is until they elected a socialist or communist. So we would overthrow their government and rather have a ruthless dictator kill off their opponents rather than someone that the people elected. We're effing hypocrites. Those countries have no clue how to run themselves minus a few exceptions.

It's ironic -- the current waves of immigrants are coming mostly from countries that are being ripped apart by narco violence. The narcos exist, of course, to service the massive drugs desires of the population of the USA. Every time you use drugs, you're helping to bring more illegals here. LOLZ!

Mitt wrote:

It's ironic -- the current waves of immigrants are coming mostly from countries that are being ripped apart by narco violence. The narcos exist, of course, to service the massive drugs desires of the population of the USA. Every time you use drugs, you're helping to bring more illegals here. LOLZ!

DAMN YOU JOHNNY FOOTBALL! DAMN YOU TO HELL1