Ryan Hall 30:36 10k win today

Did Sara run and keep the rest of the field in check?

I am happy to see Hall running shorter distances and all things considered this was not a bad result. Hall has not run fast in a race less than a half marathon in long time. Like KK and some other marthoners, Hall does not run fast in shorter races.

NotAustin18 wrote:

I think Hall should be resting still. Most guys take 2 weeks off after a xc/track season or marathon. Meb probably hasn't run a step since April 21st. Next time they race Meb will beat Ryan again.

Ryan keeps making mistakes in his training, and this is another one. After a bad race its human nature to be impatient and want to do better. But there is a time and place for it, he should be resting. After his next bad marathon he'll just blame it on too little recovery after Boston. Wait and see.

Yeah, you obviously know more about running fast than Hall does.

NotAustin18 wrote:

I think Hall should be resting still. Most guys take 2 weeks off after a xc/track season or marathon. Meb probably hasn't run a step since April 21st. Next time they race Meb will beat Ryan again.

Ryan keeps making mistakes in his training, and this is another one. After a bad race its human nature to be impatient and want to do better. But there is a time and place for it, he should be resting. After his next bad marathon he'll just blame it on too little recovery after Boston. Wait and see.

Yeah, you obviously know more about running fast than Hall does.

Cincy-runner wrote:

It's a difficult course.

Tx for posting. Can you say how it compares for you to a fast, flat road 10k course?

I've run this course and today I ran bloomsday and honestly the first 10k of bloomsday is way tougher and if Hall was there today the top 7 or 8 Americans would have beat him through 10k when they still has 2 left.

He doesn't deserve the money he makes and needs to admit why he ran those outrageous times years ago. We all know how but don't want to say it because the athlete claims he is a God fearing athlete.

At least a minute slower than a flat, fast course...

HRE wrote:

NotAustin18 wrote:

I think Hall should be resting still. Most guys take 2 weeks off after a xc/track season or marathon. Meb probably hasn't run a step since April 21st. Next time they race Meb will beat Ryan again.

Ryan keeps making mistakes in his training, and this is another one. After a bad race its human nature to be impatient and want to do better. But there is a time and place for it, he should be resting. After his next bad marathon he'll just blame it on too little recovery after Boston. Wait and see.

Yeah, you obviously know more about running fast than Hall does.

I'm not saying I know more about running than him. I'm just making an observation as people on these forums often do. I just think he's being impatient and needs some rest. Even if the 10k was a tempo effort it's not smart to do that hard of an effort 12 days after a marathon even if the marathon was a big disappointment. None of the other elites do this sort of thing. Most guys take 2 weeks off after a season or marathon then build up and maybe do throw in some races after at least a month of training along the way to make a little extra pay day.

v6 wrote:2nd was 34:04.

In that case, Ryan Hall ran way faster than he needed to. He could have saved his legs a bit and still won the $150.

Hall must be off whatever performance enhancers he was on. Good for him that he can do this and we still care. But no 2:04-2:06 guy runs a crappy 2:17 marathon and then runs a lame 30+ min 10k for any reason. Hall is a well paid weekend warrior.

Let's see... why would a SPONSORED marathoner (usually 1-2 races per year and lately 0 per year) suddenly sign up for a season of shorter races that he has a good shot at winning while touring the US?

You often give the impression here that you're really serious about running well. If that's really true you might want to consider studying what successful runners do rather than becoming yet another of the half witted no it alls that frequent this place.

Bolder Boulder is more difficult and he ran 30:29. Granted that was almost 3 years ago and he hadn't just run a marathon.

Haha, my bad, 2011 WAS the year he'd just run Boston in his killer time.

HRE wrote:

You often give the impression here that you're really serious about running well. If that's really true you might want to consider studying what successful runners do rather than becoming yet another of the half witted no it alls that frequent this place.

Yeah man I love running and am serious about doing my best. I study the elite guys and apply what I can to my own personal training. Thanks for the concern.

HRE wrote:

You often give the impression here that you're really serious about running well. If that's really true you might want to consider studying what successful runners do rather than becoming yet another of the half witted no it alls that frequent this place.

What does this have to do with racing 12 days after a marathon? Do only elites know the basics of training? Quit pretending these guys have split the atom. NotAustin is right - Ryan is risking yet another injury by running hard so soon after a marathon, even if it was just a tempo.

Does Hall have a coach now, or is he still winging it with God?

You have that British guy, Steve Way(?) racing 100km and setting a national record a couple of weeks after London. Another Brit from the old days, Cavin Woodward used to do multiple marathons usually around 2:20, or ultras, in a month or so. Doug Kurtis and Kjell-Erik Stahl ran sub 2:20 marathons monthly at times. I once got a mile PR at an indoor meet the night after setting a marathon PR and then came back with what was then a passably decent two mile.

The key is to know yourself and your circumstances. NotAustin thinks that because Meb isn't running hard yet that no one else who ran Boston should either. But Hall ran 2:17, not 2:08 and even if he's not the runner he was 4-5 years ago it's unlikely that 2:17 was anywhere near as intense an effort for him as the 2:08 was for Meb and while Hall is not Rupp, a 30:36 10,000 meter race is likely nowhere near an all out run for him. Taken to a full marathon that pace would give him around 2:09 or so, probably slower than he's hoping he can be eventually.

Is he risking injury? Heck, you risk injury every time you go for a run but there was nothing outlandish about what Hall did.

Also, you have Michael Wardian who races Marathons back to back weekends and still runs most in the 2:20s.

Although not really elite, that's still a crap load of races. Fortunately for him he doesn't get injured very often.