That leaves them with....two 4:0X male runners and a 16 minute 5k woman in Davidson. I don't consider those times elite but that's just my opinion. Really not worth arguing over. I just was pointing out the roster.
Who was the 40 year old marathoner anyway?
Can we get this back on topic? OP, are you BSing or do you have facts. This thread is turning into gossip. Proof of this info? Or just to stir up trouble
what is so great about gags - who has he coached, ect. struggle to find info
#3 Jamul Toads? Unless old dudes is your thing, I think you're about 40 years too late.
Pecking orders wrote:
Ranked in order for clarity
Oregon Project - Salazar
Medalists
Bowerman - Schumacher
Domestically dominate
OTC - Rowlands
Some A/B qualifiers Americans and foreigners
Brooks Beasts - Mackey
Some A/B qualifiers Americans
NY/NJ - Gaga
Some A/B qualifiers Americans
Furman Elite - Gary
Some A/B qualifiers Americans
Indian Elite - Chapman
Some B qualifiers Americans
Zap Fitness - Rea
Some B qualifiers Americans
There are no other groups with at least a couple of B qualifiers being supported/training together
What percent of medalists at the Olympic/WC level for 800m on up belong to training groups vs. just having a coach?
stotan is not for the weak. some of the members of the group who did not make it, simply could not handle the training at this level! just because the group contained a 2:10 marathoner and a 13:15 5k runner does not mean they can handle the commitment necessary to be successful. this program was started to bring in americans AND East Africans to prepare them to compete on the world stage. if they do not have the work ethic, they will not survive. good for Stotan for cleaning out athletes who are not worthy. why should John Aris waste his time on athletes who can't hack it? do you know who Bill/John are?
Looking at their site I see no current runners who can run
sub 4, sub 14, sub 29, sub 65, or sub 2:20. In fact in their history only one person, Fred Joslyn, has achieved any of those times with Stotan Racing...So no, they aren't a group designed for athletes of that caliber. Maybe they should pick up some of the FM kids, considering they have a faster group currently.
If they've coached runners to the level indicated on their records list, then yes, it is a group for such runners. Who gives a SH$% if they have NO runners who can hit those marks currently. If someone is committed to improving, has some support, then all it takes is the coach, and the athlete. Everyone looks for large rosters to pull them along. Some runners seem to do better with the one on one atmosphere. Large classes are for college. If you want to improve, you should welcome the individual attention provided by a coach, whenever possible.
C Fred! Thats the guy who whined about getting screwed by the Hansons, right? Then, he ran 2:24. Im amazed Stotan coaches even got him to a 2:18, OT Qualifier. Guys got no ability. Shows that good coaching can bring even the mediocre to a sub elite level. Hasnt been with Stotan in over a year, now. Just ran 2:29 at Boston. Atta boy freddie
/points are still irrelevant, on the topic of having a small roster. They've always had one or two fairly solid runners sisnce they started up, classic spilled milk syndrome. Somebody didnt like getting cut. Any press is good press. I bet these guys are getting looks from recruits on this thread alone.
For their best athletes: coaching, Nike equipment, travel funding.
Coaches have brought their best women to,
1:10 Half Marathon (Trials qualifier)
50:44 15k
9:08 3k
16:02 5k
their best men to,
2:18 Marathon (Trials qualifier)
1:04 half marathon
45:48 15k
14:03 road 5k
4:00 mile
Plenty of solid runners looking for this type of support, and history.
What the heck is going on with this team. You guys are all strange. No thanks I'll avoid your team.
Well this turned into a Stotan hate thread. They're certainly not a "major training group" so I doubt that's the one that's shutting down. Obviously it's not NOP or Bowerman or Beasts. Dunno about ZAP, Hansons seems unlikely. I would have heard something about USA-MN by now if it was them, I'd think. So who's left?
Perhaps ADP, I think Simmons who started the group has already moved on.
[quote]training group questions wrote:
[quote]Pecking orders wrote:
Ranked in order for clarity
Oregon Project - Salazar
Medalists
All with real Nike contracts and real support.
Bowerman - Schumacher
Domestically dominate
Very real to average Nike contracts and support with trips
OTC - Rowlands
Some A/B qualifiers Americans and foreigners
Somewhat real to nothing but equipment from Nike.
Massage and I don't believe Rowlands charges athletes to coach?
Brooks Beasts - Mackey
Some A/B qualifiers Americans
Massage, travel only
Believe most are on a contract with Brooks, but varying degrees for sure. Bri might be with Adidas still?
NY/NJ - Gags
Some A/B qualifiers Americans
Massage, pay for coaching, most travel.
Different shoe sponsors and some with no shoe support.
Furman Elite - Gary
Some A/B qualifiers Americans
Free housing, food, massage, free coaching, all travel.
Different sponsors and some with no shoe support.
Indian Elite - Chapman
Some B qualifiers Americans
Housing, shoe sponsor, pay for coaching, minimal travel.
All New Balance gear
Zap Fitness - Rea
Some B qualifiers Americans
Housing, food, free coaching, massage, travel + $500/month.
Required to work at facility 20 hours a week.
All Reebok gear
Completely false. Salazar is MOVING to Boston and will still be with Nike. I imagine some of his krew will leave the team but most will move to Boston.
Ralph Wiggum wrote:
My guess is OTC Elite. They don't have any studs left after Symmonds left. Mostly second tier mid distance guys now. Nike probably wants to focus resources on NOP and BTC (Jerry).
This guess would be incorrect.
I will tell you that Nike does not want to add more funding to this group (currently), the reason why there are many individuals on the team without an actual Nike sponsorship, even though some insiders have been pushing for more. Which makes for good drama.
trackcoach wrote:
Perhaps ADP, I think Simmons who started the group has already moved on.
If this is true, I wouldn't be surprised. Simmons is a snake! Maybe he's more focused on his newly-opened bar.
R. Van Winkle wrote:
1. Athletics West
2. Santa Monica T.C.
3. Jamul Toads
4. Florida T.C.
5. Oregon Track Club
6. Greater Boston T.C.
7. Maccabai Union T.C.
8. Athletic Attic
9. Colorado T.C.
You forgot Rudolfo Gomez Track Club
How many of these groups are around longer than 10 years? They all have an expiration date. Coaches get burnt out. Athletes expect more and more. Sponsors get tired of throwing money away.
Everyone is excited about a NEW group, but you are only New for a couple years. I'm tired of NOP and Hansons and Zap and Team Minnesota. It all just seems like more of the same.