Fastest 10,000m since 1970. Introduction of drugs and testing

wow.

WHO doesnt like a good graph!!!

without CERA finding its way into bekele 's hands

and geberselassie the graph would be that little bit

higher throughout the 2000,s . CERA THE BEST OF THE EPO'S .

and 2011 times THANK GW501516 .

There is no evidence that Endurabol /501516 actually is beneficial for endurance athletes

mo'pak wrote:

There is no evidence that Endurabol /501516 actually is beneficial for endurance athletes

cyclists are getting busted for it..thats enough evidence that it's beneficial

also this new phenomenon of thin cyclists winning TTs ..new drugs at work

who ran 12:46 indoors? 12:46 was the winning time in Paris at the only fast 5000m in many years.

correlation is not causation.

some of these "spikes" only last two years--not enough for statistically significant conclusions.

Also, if you'll notice the drop in performances occurs BEFORE the EPO test comes out, which does not fit the doping theory and implies that the presence of drugs or tests is not the only factor responsible for fluctuations in performance.

Correlation does not equal causation, but malmo's data provides another arrow in the quiver for anyone suspicious of doping in the early 2000's. I agree, that young african talent migrating to the marathon provides an alternative reason to seeing the 10k performances drop off recently.

However, the same cannot be said for the 1500m. Unless of course, we really believe that a slew of middle-distance talent has also decided to move to the marathon as well. Something tells me this is not the case. What explanations do we have for a trend that moves away from the world record, and hasn't given 3:26 a scare since 1998? Kiprop is the only one to come close in 2013, and even he was over 1.5 seconds slower...an eternity in the 1500.

ELG was a fluctuation himself -comes around (doping or not)

once in century. One must analyze averages (10 best etc)

to see whether doping was rampant around 2000.

Take away ELG as data point and the conclusions might be different?!?!?

RRRR wrote:

Correlation does not equal causation, but malmo's data provides another arrow in the quiver for anyone suspicious of doping in the early 2000's. I agree, that young african talent migrating to the marathon provides an alternative reason to seeing the 10k performances drop off recently.

However, the same cannot be said for the 1500m. Unless of course, we really believe that a slew of middle-distance talent has also decided to move to the marathon as well. Something tells me this is not the case. What explanations do we have for a trend that moves away from the world record, and hasn't given 3:26 a scare since 1998? Kiprop is the only one to come close in 2013, and even he was over 1.5 seconds slower...an eternity in the 1500.

the north-africans have been shut down

morcelli and guerrouj got away with it

those who followed weren't so lucky as the dope noose tightened

Cinder tracks at the higher levels may have been a novelty but they were no novelty on the high school level even in the mid 1980s to the mid 1990s. My high school track in Northern California was a cinder track, so were Drake's and Redwood's. However, our league champs were on an old synthetic at the College of Marin, a community college, and Redwood Empire and the Meet of Champions (Edwards Stadium, Berkeley) were on synthetic. I don't recall all of the tracks, but quite a few in my league were cinder still (up to 1987, mine was re-done maybe around 2000). My D3 college got its first non-cinder track in 1988, funded by George Steinbrenner. Funding on the high school level in California was terrible for older school districts with declining enrollment, because of Prop 13 (prop tax limits) and the Serrano Priest decision (equal funding per student mandated), but they had new synthetic tracks at newer schools with growing enrollments.