I don't think the roads is too much easier than a cross country course if the road course has some hills. It's definately tougher than a track at least.
I don't think the roads is too much easier than a cross country course if the road course has some hills. It's definately tougher than a track at least.
Most people who run 25:00 for 8k could probably run about 15:05 for 5k and 31:40 for 10k. The average D1 team probably has 7-10 runners who can run those times on the track.
Average D1 teams...i don't know what D1 teams you are looking at but most D1 teams don't have more than 1 runner on average that can break 15....you forget how many D1 teams are really out there...its easy to think that when the top teams have like 15 guys under 15:00...but you look at the teams out of the top 50 which are a few 100 and i doubt many are going to have to many runners under 15:00
I ran 25:12 at Kenosha-WI Parkside in my last college xc race there in 2000. I thought I was the shit at the time!
Not that I'm a great runner of anything, I'm more of a local road-racer really......I have run quite a few sub 25:00 8k/5 mile races in past couple of years, but not much faster than 24 1/2 minutes.
Off the top of my head since 2002 I've run
24:25, 24:42, 24:53, 24:55, 25:11, 25:20, 25:12, 24:50, 24:38, 24:54, 24:56, 24:53
not counting 10k's just 5m/8k races. I'd feel like I was pretty decent if I could run 24:00, but that's still a way off at the moment. I guess I do know how to run sub 25:00 though
last place wrote:
And 150+ at D1 cross means you are nearly last (yet would be top 10 in D2 and probably win in D3).
This is so wrong, it's funny. Back when D1 allowed the winner of the D3 meet to run in the D1 XC Champs, the D3 winner often placed in the top 30.
SUB 25 IS ALRIGHT
25:00 is rather quite slow. i run that fast my last 5 miles on magnolia road at the end of a 20 miler against the wind. you guys might as well quit
Nobody respects someone who disses the disabled either
thought police wrote:
Shut up Paula. Everyone knows you're doped to your eyeballs and you run like an autistic 5 year old. No one respects someone who gives up in two olympic races and doesn't finish. Disgraceful.
Yes, Doug. I believe at least one D3 XC runner even earned All-America status.
Seamus McElligot won D3 and then made DI All-American in '89 or '90. The talent in D3 may drop off quickly but at the very top there are some very good runners.
yup wrote:
Yes, Doug. I believe at least one D3 XC runner even earned All-America status.
More than one have achieved All-America status. Off the top of my head I can think of Dan Henderson (11th at D1) and the aforementioned Seamus McElligot. I'm sure there are others.
i once ran 53:55 for a hilly 10 mile road race and split 26:30 through 5 miles. anyone know about what that would convert to for a 5 mile race? thanks
on my college team i had a couple teammates that ran between 25:10 and 25:30 on that uw parkside course and the one runner ran under 30:40 for 10k on the track. I say take 30 seconds to 45 seconds off your 8k cross time and that would be a probable 8k split in a 10k on the track. eg. 25:30 guy would split 24:45 to 25:00 through 8k on the track
25.00 Isn't amazing at all-probably about 20% of collegiate runners will get to that mark in their carriers. In D1 sub 25 is not a big deal, nor in D2, NAIA has a lot of guys that can crank well under 25, possibly a couple under 24.00. Simon Fraser, Minot State, Black Hills all had several guys each that were well under 25.00 minutes last season.
several guys? Not likely! Who does black hills have under 25.00? SFU has none that I can think of.
That previous post was accurate, Im pretty sure there was more schools in the NAIA than those 3 that had at least a couple of guys under 25.00. From memory SFU definately had 2 or 3. I can see some of the top dogs running close to, if not under 24.00minutes too. Richard Mosley from SFU will be close as well as those from Virginia Tech.
yeah, Mosely is definately a low 24 guy
dennis newell, rob marney, tim bishop, and mike mcdaniel were all at 25:00 or under in 2002 for black hills. jesus. that was newell's sophmore year and he was a solid sub 25 guy most of the season. his junior year alone he never ran slower than 25:01. his senior year he ran sub 24 twice. same as his junior year when he ran 23:31 at greeley colorado and beat celedino rodriguez from adams...and yes cele won nats at dII that year and newell got second at naia. proves naia has some runners. brad and mike tighe, nolan taylor from minot. who else you want. ziak from bc. keino from alliant. vic has 4 this year. mosely is a 24 mid guy on A LEGIT COURSE! couple eastern guys on legit courses are mid to high 24 guys. the list can go on.
i do agree that 25:00 is average for division 1 schools, but naia and division 3 you are towards the front. average for naia and div 3 would be 26:00
10k equivalent for 25:00 8k about 31:44....
Number at or under 31:44 in 2003:
Great Lakes Region: 54
Mid-Atlantic Region: 46
Midwest Region: 19
Mountain Region: 19
Northeast Region: 48
South Region: 44
South Central Region: 20
Southeast Region: 51
West Region: 79
Total: 380
Total number of runners in all regions: approx 1575
Approx 25% under 31:44.
Of course this is all dependant on the races reporting all their finishers in the final score. On the NCAA site only the top 96 were shown in the Mountain Region so I had to go back to 2002 to get a better idea of total number of runners. Yes, there are 40:00 10k runners in NCAA D1. Now, there are surely more than 1575 total runners in D1 as a lot of weaker schools don't even go to their region meet. If only 25% of the runners showing up for the region meet run a 31:44 10k then surely a 25:00 8k is NOT average by any means.
D2 stats:
Approx 60 runners total under 31:44
Approx 1100 runners in regions: 18% under 31:44
D3 stats:
Approx 14 runners under 25:00
Approx 1311 runenrs in regions: 1% under 25:00
The NAIA is a whole big bad crazy ball of wax with 14 regions (teams per region ranging from 8-27), 194 teams, say 7 per team, approx 1358 runners. Approx 10 under 25:00, or <1%.
Overall total:
Runners: 5344
Under 25:00 or equivalent: 464, or 9%
You could argue that some region courses are a lot slower than others, but some of the region courses are kin to running on a grass track.
So only about 9% of college runners run under 25:00 for 8k XC. This of course only counts those counted in the region results. Some schools may not even go to their region meet. Some region meets may not even report all runners. I'd say the actual number is somewhere between 5-9%.