I've seen worse DQs in high school but the bad call was flagged at the moment on the track. I've never heard of some appealing three times to get someone DQd.
There was a no call. You can't expect no bumping. His guys run in Europe and in the Olympics. He knows better. The power play is bad, very bad.
Hasay ran a poor race. Period. Nice young woman and all that and she has a future, but her future shouldn't be in Poland in March.
Salazar obviously isn't used to not getting what he wants.
Salazar and Nike are poison for the sport. Don't wonder how the sport would do without them. It would do fine.
Salazar blows goats wrote:
Salazar is a penis.
Nike is a big pile of sh*t.
a pithy summary!
Yes, Salazar is d*ck, but he's also a very effective coach and he doesn't seem to be going away.*
Nike is a big pile of sh*t, but they own T&F in the US and they aren't going away either.
The only way anything changes is if outside pressure is brought to bear on USATF to do a better job.
* Wasn't Salazar saying something a few years ago about not taking on new athletes and retiring when Rupp was done? Guess that plan went out the window.
My 8 yr old nike windbreaker that I got for $6at a thrift shop before McElmore made them cool is going back. Herein I will root against all NOP athletes. Plucking crap.
try again k5 wrote:
If you've actually been following along, you'd know that it was actually Hasay that cut in front of Grunewald.
?? Hasay is clearly leading her in the bell lap. She hits Hasay when she goes to pass.
ASDLKASDLKJ wrote:
I'm not saying there isn't some legitimate controversy with the multiple appeals, but the fact of the matter is that she CANNOT run like that. It's sloppy, bordering on dirty, and perhaps this DQ will be a wake-up call to stop swinging her body everywhere. Even in the pack it looked like she was flopping around.
Quite apart from the DQ (non-)process, it wasn't a severe enough interference to warrant a DQ. The issue isn't how sloppy Gabe ran, the issue is how much interference she generated. Far more substantial pushes and nudges than what we saw here are commonly allowed in championship races (e.g. NCAA 2011 mens 800m). It's a good non-call, regardless of sloppy running and regardless of post-race farce.
Somehow they got Gabe to run like a complete moron too.
ASDLKASDLKJ wrote:
try again k5 wrote:If you've actually been following along, you'd know that it was actually Hasay that cut in front of Grunewald.
?? Hasay is clearly leading her in the bell lap. She hits Hasay when she goes to pass.
After watching the replay multiple times, it looks to me like Hasay moved out into lane 2 to keep from getting passed - isn't that what impeding is!?
I watched the race live and didn't think twice about the minor contact between the two runners - looked like Hasay was done and couldn't get out of the way of faster runners.
I agree. GG was the winner, fair and square.
"She's on the same cocktail as Rupp and Farah, the same one that keeps giving AlSal heart attacks."
It's a high bar, but I think this might be the dumbest thing I've ever read in a LetsRun post. (He's had one heart attack, FWIW.) Of course, as is always the case here, it may have been written merely to provoke precisely this response.
coach b money wrote:
After watching the replay multiple times, it looks to me like Hasay moved out into lane 2 to keep from getting passed - isn't that what impeding is!?
I watched the race live and didn't think twice about the minor contact between the two runners - looked like Hasay was done and couldn't get out of the way of faster runners.
Agreed, totally lame DQ. But i think the runner is allowed to move in one direction, impeding is when they move out *and* back. Same in F1. Hasay was dying as usual at the and of a race, she needs to stick to long stuff, she's got no power/speed. She'll get lapped in Poland, maybe twice (unless it's slow tactical), and hopefully has learned to get out of the freaking way. Sad to see the best runner staying home.
There's 5 ways to deal with being "impeded".
1a) Fall down and like Nate Brannen in London 1500, get up and run 3:39 failing to make the final, but make the final in Moscow WC in revenge beating the guy who impeded you
1b) Fall down, ball your eyes out and kill your career like Morgan Uceney
2) Get a shot of adrenaline and storm past the opponents: think Lance Armstrong when a fan's purse hooked his handlebars and pulled him down. Yeah sure he doped, but his response was key.
3) Continue on passively, because you know you were beat anyways
4) Let your coach go apoplectic and knowing his history of heart attack, the committee gives in to save his life, and DQ's someone who was clearly the best, allowing the impeded person to get in.
5) Something else i forgot
Agree. To me it's a difficult call. If I had to make it, I would rule it a foul. There were two ways out. Back out and around, or through Hasay's legs, and GG chose the disruptive path. Barely. While I could see points in either direction, I don't think the big win factors in. Nike supreme influence may, but I was not there for that. 10 slow replays later (and don't forget an official on the site flagged it) I think it was a foul. Milder than many, but clearly disruptive. Have others gotten away with worse? Not a defense in my mind. That said, I can see why the officials waffled--judgment call for sure, but we all seem to fall into camps on this one. The fun part? Unlike an amazing and historic pole vault record, this is getting a lot of the kind of attention that tiny issues in baseball and football do. Look at the MB fill up.
ASDLKASDLKJ wrote:
I've been DQ'd (after winning conference for the first and only time in my life, no less) for much less than that.
If that sort of contact occurred in a pack then MAYBE it should be ignored, but Grunewald just ran straight into the back of Hasay with all the room in the world. She then proceeded to run straight into the back of Rowbury with even more room.
I'm not saying there isn't some legitimate controversy with the multiple appeals, but the fact of the matter is that she CANNOT run like that. It's sloppy, bordering on dirty, and perhaps this DQ will be a wake-up call to stop swinging her body everywhere. Even in the pack it looked like she was flopping around.
kiowavt wrote:
Agree. To me it's a difficult call. If I had to make it, I would rule it a foul. There were two ways out. Back out and around, or through Hasay's legs, and GG chose the disruptive path. Barely. While I could see points in either direction, I don't think the big win factors in. Nike supreme influence may, but I was not there for that. 10 slow replays later (and don't forget an official on the site flagged it) I think it was a foul. Milder than many, but clearly disruptive. Have others gotten away with worse? Not a defense in my mind. That said, I can see why the officials waffled--judgment call for sure, but we all seem to fall into camps on this one.
The fun part? Unlike an amazing and historic pole vault record, this is getting a lot of the kind of attention that tiny issues in baseball and football do. Look at the MB fill up.
ASDLKASDLKJ wrote:I've been DQ'd (after winning conference for the first and only time in my life, no less) for much less than that.
If that sort of contact occurred in a pack then MAYBE it should be ignored, but Grunewald just ran straight into the back of Hasay with all the room in the world. She then proceeded to run straight into the back of Rowbury with even more room.
I'm not saying there isn't some legitimate controversy with the multiple appeals, but the fact of the matter is that she CANNOT run like that. It's sloppy, bordering on dirty, and perhaps this DQ will be a wake-up call to stop swinging her body everywhere. Even in the pack it looked like she was flopping around.
HASAY CUT IN ON GRUNEWALD
She already had the inside lane. Hasay was in the middle of the lane and moved to the outside of the lane going into the turn, giving Grunewald the opportunity to have the inside lane, which she did.
Jordan then cut back in on Grunewald, cutting her off and stumbling.
[quote]Nike my @ss wrote:
1. pay off Jenny and Kim (read: New Balance) not to run USAs... tell me... what big meet exactly are they 'saving' themselves for?
One that pays
Agreed. In a slow indoor race some contact is to be expected. No harm though as nobody fell. A breaking of stride isn't enough by far to call a foul here. Jordan put herself in this position by tolerating a slow pace and allowing a kicker to tangle with her on the last lap. She didn't file the protest though. Her coach is in the wrong here.
Just my take I would have filed a complaint bottom line coaches advocate for athletes. The one to blame is gg she ran like a high school freshman crashing into everyone.
Silly of GG, she could have run the whole last lap in the lane 2 and still humiliate others by her kick. Instead she chose to pass Hasay and Rowbury by unnecessarily brushing against them. On the other hand they did not fall down and such moves happen all the time without anybody being DQed.
Also silly of Hasay to run such a slow pace initially, with the milers in the race. What was she thinking?
Makes me wonder what side Bill Bowerman would have been on this stuff.
Agreed. It's a bad situation for all the runners involved.