[quote]Montesquieu wrote:
Silly me--I had always thought an Olympic Bronze in the 10000 was a great achievement. Now I know better. Thanks.[quote]
It is a great achievement but she moved up for a reason. Because she thought she could contend for a win, not a distant third.
Do you honestly believe Jordan Hasay and Shannon Rowbury are dopers???? Or is your comment simply the result of knee jerk stupidity?
N.O.P.ERS wrote:
I wonder what new 'recipes' the Nike Saladbar is cooking up.
No. But one did run 2:08. 2012 the top high school girl mark in the 800 was 2:05, in 2011 it was 2:02. Like I said. Pretty good for a high school girl.
Hardloper wrote:
The Schnide wrote:60 back in 68. Ouch.
Girls run better in the California high school state meet.
Not a single California high school girl broke 2:08 last year...
Mr. Obvious wrote:
Should have dropped a couple of 62s during the race.
LOL.
Given splits of 60/68, or even 62/66 for a 5/10k runner, you really need to question the underlying fitness. A four-second differential (or six!!) in a well-off-PR-effort is not good news for a distance runner in the 800.
So, the real question isn't whether she was knocking out 62s, but the rest she was taking in doing so. Can you tell us? If it was a 200 jog or less for >6 of these, yes that is a damn nice workout.
(Given that the usually-reliable Hardloper estimated the opening 400 as 59/60 and it turned out to be 62, we should of course take all reported splits and workouts with a grain of salt.)
400 jog, very slow.
But the 800 wasn't a "well-off-PR-effort." It was her indoor PR. She ran faster in a time trial, so the race clearly wasn't perfect, but I don't think it had anything to do with fitness. Sometimes you take it out too hard. I expect good things from her this season, she looks great.
xenonscreams wrote:
400 jog, very slow.
But the 800 wasn't a "well-off-PR-effort." It was her indoor PR. She ran faster in a time trial, so the race clearly wasn't perfect, but I don't think it had anything to do with fitness. Sometimes you take it out too hard. I expect good things from her this season, she looks great.
"she looks great" .... ? she just ran a 2:08.
"nothing to do with fitness....? she just ran 2:08
Jordan is a real cutie pie!
xenonscreams wrote:
Do they then knock out a ton of 62s 400s on the track?
I think 2:08 is pretty good for Jordan at this point in the season given that she's a 10K gal..
Not for an international athlete any track runner needs better pace than that
xenonscreams wrote:
400 jog, very slow.
But the 800 wasn't a "well-off-PR-effort." It was her indoor PR. She ran faster in a time trial, so the race clearly wasn't perfect, but I don't think it had anything to do with fitness. Sometimes you take it out too hard. I expect good things from her this season, she looks great.
Well, I'm not that blown away by 800-pace 400s off probably >4:00 rest, honestly.
But as you point out, during indoors it's easy to get sucked into treating DISTANCE runners like Hasay as mid-d runners, and of course Hasay's goals don't have much to do with 1-2 minute efforts. Good for her.
ukathleticscoach wrote:
xenonscreams wrote:Do they then knock out a ton of 62s 400s on the track?
I think 2:08 is pretty good for Jordan at this point in the season given that she's a 10K gal..
Not for an international athlete any track runner needs better pace than that
Which 10K runners have run faster than 2:08?
Hardloper wrote:
Which 10K runners have run faster than 2:08?
Wang Junxia ran close to 2 minutes, and 3:51.92 for 1500m.
Haha. Nice.J.R. wrote:
Hardloper wrote:Which 10K runners have run faster than 2:08?
Wang Junxia ran close to 2 minutes, and 3:51.92 for 1500m.
SMJO wrote:
No, a proper 800 is even splits or a slight positive split.
She could have won with 2:04 by running 62-62 and then done the workout just as well.
Wouldn't that build much more confidence/potential fitness?
Perhaps for an inexperienced 10K runner running an 800, "even splits or a slight positive splits" would have been ok, but even splits or a slight positive splits is not how you run an 800m; the 200/300/400/500/600/800 are always run with positive splits when done right.
Hardloper wrote:
Which 10K runners have run faster than 2:08?
are you joking? dibaba ran the last 800 of a 5k in New York in 206.08
www.letsrun.com/2012/adidas-dibaba-0609.phpmost 10k runners never race an 800 but goucher and flanagan obviously could go way better than 208 in their primes given their 405 1500 pbs. tilastapaja shows a 206 race for kara goucher.
The 200 has a positive split? Bolt must have done a pretty sweet first 100 in his record run.
For someone like Hasay an even or slight positive split over 800 is ideal.
Montesquieu wrote:
Do you honestly believe Jordan Hasay and Shannon Rowbury are dopers???? Or is your comment simply the result of knee jerk stupidity?
N.O.P.ERS wrote:I wonder what new 'recipes' the Nike Saladbar is cooking up.
I believe that all NOPers are dopers.
Not for an international athlete any track runner needs better pace than that[/quote]
Which 10K runners have run faster than 2:08?[/quote]
Paula Radlciffe 2:05.9- was not exactly know for her pace plus she did not spend years at 1500m like Hasay
Runners like Dibaba and Defar could run close to 2 mins. Dibaba ran 2:10 for the last 2 laps in London! 68/62 last 2 laps
I don't get them training after the race either you are bound to hold something back slighlty if you know you have more to do
xenonscreams wrote:
That is all. They made it look easy.
Made it look easy? They ran slow as sh$t - why not run a fast race? Embarrassing - Coe did repeat 800s at 1:52 to 2:00 for like 8- hasay needs to have her professionship revoked.
Just seen Rojo post above so has closed even faster