That sound you just heard was the dynamite going "boom".
never worn a singlet wrote:
The problem with shoe companies is they sometimes "worsify" shoes. Like the following examples:
NB890V3--> NB890V4 (added 3mm of drop!)
They want you to stock up on old shoe models. They worsify shoes on purpose.
joho wrote:
money talks wrote:If you are at your job and another company offers you more money you don't think you'd leave because you'd have a new boss?
What if you had just done really well (silver medal) at work and your current company didn't want to pay you more, but you liked your boss? Then, another company came and offered you more money and you felt this was the last high paying job you'd ever have was? You think you'd stay because you liked your boss?
Running is a job. Nike didn't want to pay Nick what he's worth so he went to Brooks.
If my success at my job depended heavily on the quality of my boss I would give such a move very deep thought. I would chase the fast money and risk my career.
We have seen this before with Jeremy Wariner. He made a coaching change and was never the same. Do you think he made or lost money in that deal? I'm sure Nick is smarter than that but it is a risky move.
That should read I would NOT chase the fast money.
redux wrote:
never worn a singlet wrote:The problem with shoe companies is they sometimes "worsify" shoes. Like the following examples:
NB890V3--> NB890V4 (added 3mm of drop!)
They want you to stock up on old shoe models. They worsify shoes on purpose.
WTF you and iubj! It was sarcastic you know. Whether intentional or accidentally, shoe models do get wrecked by updates. Admit it. Your comments are disrespectful.
Your logic is flawed wrote:
1. If Nike wanted Nick then he would be with Nike.
2. This is a case of be careful what you wish for.
3. Brooks will not be happy when Nick decides to set the Agenda, even when it differs from his sponsor.
4. Nick is not a company man. Nick is a Nick man.
Good Luck to all.
Maybe Nike should hire runners as employees if they want company men. Otherwise, to expect loyalty from an independent contractor is insane.
joho wrote:
I am more curious about his team and coaching situation. I can't believe he is switching coaches at this point.
Not much choice I would imagine but i'm sure he's reched the stage where he knows what training suits him and won't change it much
never worn a singlet wrote:
redux wrote:WTF you and iubj! It was sarcastic you know. Whether intentional or accidentally, shoe models do get wrecked by updates. Admit it. Your comments are disrespectful.
Dude, just because YOU think an update is worse than the shoe it replaced doesn't mean that everyone thinks so. Other people exist, and they have different feet than you, and they also buy shoes.
We have a weird feeling this is happening at 1 pm. The deal is done: Symmonds has signed with Brooks: http://www.letsrun.com/news/2014/01/nick-symmonds-talks-move-brooks/
http://www.letsrun.com/news/2014/01/nick-symmonds-signs-brooks-4-quick-thoughts-symmonds-move/
Hey, singlet, I was agreeing with you about the 890v4 not being to my liking.
redux wrote:
Hey, singlet, I was agreeing with you about the 890v4 not being to my liking.
Yes, easy to misunderstand on message boards.
Also, page 207 Born to Run by Chris McDougall in the footnote.
"Not to improve the shoe, as a former N___ shoe designer who worked on the original Pegasus told me, but to improve revenue;"
McDougall goes on to say in the footnote:
"N___'s aim is to triple sales by enticing runners to buy two, three, five pairs at a time, stockpiling in case they never see their favorites again".
Anyways, off topic.
Congrats to Symmonds.
Look at the drop of the 890v4 on the new balance website above.
It certainly is not 11mm, but rather 8mm still
Idiot.
never worn a singlet wrote:
redux wrote:WTF you and iubj! It was sarcastic you know. Whether intentional or accidentally, shoe models do get wrecked by updates. Admit it. Your comments are disrespectful.
Two years @ $175,000, plus the opportunity to be near Erica Moore a lot.
http://www.runningwarehouse.com/New_Balance_M890_v4/descpageMRS-N8904M2.htmlhttp://www.runningwarehouse.com/New_Balance_M890_v3/descpageMRS-N8903M1.htmlKnower of Facts wrote:
http://www.newbalance.com/New-Balance-890v4/M890-V4,default,pd.html?dwvar_M890-V4_color=Cobalt%20Blue_with_Black_and_Yellow&start=1&q=890v4&cgid=101000Look at the drop of the 890v4 on the new balance website above.
It certainly is not 11mm, but rather 8mm still
Idiot.
never worn a singlet wrote:The problem with shoe companies is they sometimes "worsify" shoes. Like the following examples:
NB890V3--> NB890V4 (added 3mm of drop!)
V4: 28mm heel, 18mm foot (10mm drop)
V3: 28mm heel, 21mm foot (7mm drop)
Difference measured by an independent expert running site is 3mm. They also added more toe rocker on the V4.
other people exist wrote:
Dude, just because YOU think an update is worse than the shoe it replaced doesn't mean that everyone thinks so. Other people exist, and they have different feet than you, and they also buy shoes.
So they always improve shoes with updates? I'm with singlet. They sometimes ruin shoes with updates. Has nothing to do with your opinion above.
Should have just gone into the t-shirt selling business with Manzano.
other people exist wrote:
Dude, just because YOU think an update is worse than the shoe it replaced doesn't mean that everyone thinks so. Other people exist, and they have different feet than you, and they also buy shoes.
Yeah, Good example of a non-sequitur debate argument.
BTW, hope Nick influences Brooks not to radically change shoe models between revisions. Other people exist that don't want change either when they find that "perfect" shoe.
slity wrote:
Two years @ $175,000, plus the opportunity to be near Erica Moore a lot.
Yes, on the Erica Moore !
Letsrun.com wrote that Symmonds allegedly said the following:
I can say that I did received an offer from Nike. I can they offers were very similar in financial compensation and ultimately I chose to go with Brooks for a host of reasons but mainly because I feel like it’s a better match for my personality and the thing I want to accomplish the sport…As someone who likes to have a lot of control goes on in my life, Brooks is the right match for me. With Nike, I was kind of felt like they rented out the advertising space ( on my bib) and were just happy to have me on the list but they never really wanted my input on anything and that was frustrating as a guy who is trying to run a business.
WTF? Did he really talk like a Neanderthal? Or are the Ivy-league idiots at LetsRun.com just super lax with their transcribing? Good grief.
me talk pretty, glad you brought that up. the front page in general and the quote are chock full of errors, not to mention the reaction/thought piece that refers to him as simpson at one point:
http://www.letsrun.com/news/2014/01/nick-symmonds-signs-brooks-4-quick-thoughts-symmonds-move/
2) Money talks. Nick Symmonds has always praised coach Mark Rowland as being one of the best in the world, but is willing to leave him behind. It will be interesting to see how Simpson does with a new coach Danny Mackey.
ukathleticscoach wrote:
joho wrote:I am more curious about his team and coaching situation. I can't believe he is switching coaches at this point.
Not much choice I would imagine but i'm sure he's reched the stage where he knows what training suits him and won't change it much
After reading more articles and listening to interviews yesterday, I agree. I really hope it works out for him.
Symmonds wearing the Brooks Ravenna. Ravenna...that's where I live. Welcome to the hood Nick...super glad to have you in the city!
Hoovis