Sports Illustrated Reports: Harvard and Georgetown willing to work with Salazar

thruckerd: Great Post! It's extremely disturbing that so many people still believe that an Ivy undergraduate degree guarantees a life of wealth and prosperity. I certainly hope young people do not actually believe that going to Harvard is a one step solution to getting rich.

I don't care how smart she is, no one can manage the Harvard workload with being a pro runner.

My Ivy degree wasn't worth much. Going there was one of the biggest mistakes of my life. I specifically regret it about once a week. I have friends who'd agree that it was also worthless and a mistake for them.

FSFAFDFA wrote:

All these guys who got rejected by Ivy League schools are all butthurt that people actually consider them to be the best schools in the world. Why would you ever turn down an opportunity to go to them?

Ex-Ivy wrote:

My Ivy degree wasn't worth much. Going there was one of the biggest mistakes of my life. I specifically regret it about once a week. I have friends who'd agree that it was also worthless and a mistake for them.

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Once again rojo is trolling his own message boards.

to all the serfs in denial

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/billionaire-u-why-harvard-mints-200315236.html

of course she isn't guaranteed a spot in Forbes but of course an Ivy Degree is ahead of (most) other schools

Alanson wrote:

Pick the school with the highest elevation . e.g. Northern Arizona - 7000 ft. Coaching is secondary. And don't pick Boulder, that extra 2000 ft is huge.

i haven't read the whole thread, but this is it. and not just for mary cain, but for damn near any runner that want's to take it to the next level. this is the #1 choice if running is your first priority. if running is your #2 priority and you are using your athletic capabilities to get a degree and all the connections that come with it from a super prestigious school, then, of course, there are many other schools that beat NAU.

7000' is the difference between being the best in the world or "just" the best in the US for a talent like cain.

You got it all wrong. The school doesn't make these people. They are already made before they get there. If you get into a school like that only because you are fast you are only going to be rich by pursing a career being fast.How about all the Harvard drop out billionaires? FB, MSFT, Etc.

Realism wrote:

to all the serfs in denial

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/billionaire-u-why-harvard-mints-200315236.html

of course she isn't guaranteed a spot in Forbes but of course an Ivy Degree is ahead of (most) other schools

Sorry Ex-Ivy. There have to be other factors in your story because being an Ivy (Princeton X 2) has opened the doors for my daughter in both business and architecture that simply aren't there for others.

BTW... Mary needs to go to Princeton. There are top facilities and a lot of soft surface running in the area plus better weather than #2 Harvard. :)

agip wrote:

my view as a parent of a kid around train's age:

I think she will run for college her freshman year, unless she matures a lot mentally over the next year. You can tell from interviews that she is just a kid and not ready to work for a living. She wants to be on a team, have peers, and not be thrown to the wolves yet. If she went pro and had to perform in good and bad times...I don't see her has the type of person yet who would succeed at that.

A freshman year on a college track team would be a good transition.

Sure she could go to college and not run for the team, but I just see her needing some coddling and group membership that a team gives.

Wow that's funny. Please remind me what high school she runs FOR again?

There's Ivy and then there's Harvard/Princeton/Yale. The latter are something special. The former are interchangeable with a number of other good universities.

thruckerd wrote:

straight to grad school in humanities from college - stopped at MA.

worked retail mgmt much of my 20s

3rd rate MBA from state school when I hit late 20s

have worked in investment management in my 30s and 40s - finally found some medium success.

The only thing my ivy degree helped with was a fully funded MA degree - my college prof helped make that happen. After that - zero.

On the other hand, my wife has degrees (ba and jd) from state U and has had fabulous success from day one. She has a much better work ethic than I do.

Resume-wise, having an elite degree is only useful upon graduation. There are only a limited nuber of spots in the top grad/jd/md programs, and the place that you spent your last four years is important. There are other reasons to go to an elite school, but once you hit your late 20's your undergrad institution won't be doing a whole lot for your resume.

Also, specifically talking ivy, the big 3 and the other 5 are not equals.

Harvard is no longer an exceptional school; it is just rich and complacent.Liberal arts no longer cultivate valuable skills; they just foster vanity and a sense of entitlement that serve their graduates poorly as they drive cabs and angle for jobs with the government.

Realism wrote:

the lifelong value of a Harvard degree cannot be understated

So says someone who didn't get into an Ivy and lives in his Mom's basement.

[quote]ggilder wrote:

Harvard is no longer an exceptional school; it is just rich and complacent.

Liberal arts no longer cultivate valuable skills; they just foster vanity and a sense of entitlement that serve their graduates poorly as they drive cabs and angle for jobs with the government.

It all depends what she wants to do post undergrad. She won't be able to go Ivy Med if she graduates from Oregon. Honestly, in the real world does that matter? To some it's all that matters. She has some great choices. Wish I were in her shoes.

Alanson wrote:

Pick the school with the highest elevation . e.g. Northern Arizona - 7000 ft. Coaching is secondary. And don't pick Boulder, that extra 2000 ft is huge.

That's silly logic. Why not pick Western State or Adams State then? She's running fast while living in Bronxville, elevation 92 feet. The key for her is the continued association with Salazar, and it seems she wants to do it in the context of a good academic school with a strong women's team. NAU is a great place to train and a successful program, but that doesn't mean it would be the right place for MC.

run with the wom wrote:

So says someone who didn't get into an Ivy and lives in his Mom's basement.

[quote]ggilder wrote:

Harvard is no longer an exceptional school; it is just rich and complacent.

Liberal arts no longer cultivate valuable skills; they just foster vanity and a sense of entitlement that serve their graduates poorly as they drive cabs and angle for jobs with the government.

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you have no freaking clue who ggilder is, do you? Look him up. I think the poster is actually gilder - gilder has posted here in the past.

run with the wom wrote:

So says someone who didn't get into an Ivy and lives in his Mom's basement.

[quote]ggilder wrote:

Harvard is no longer an exceptional school; it is just rich and complacent.

Run with the wom: I suggest that you google the name "George Gilder."

agip wrote:

FSFAFDFA wrote:

Why would you ever turn down an opportunity to go to them?

Even harvard has a 22% turn-down rate from acceptees.

Why people turn these schools down?

A family making 150k (?) prob gets no financial aid, so $60k a year costs are huge.

geography matters to some.

family obligations.

athletic team issues (ex: harvard has terrible distance runnign reputation, no?)

some people just fall in love with some other school

some kids are intimidated by harvard etc

You don't know how it works at Harvard. Harvard has ton of financial aid. If you make 150k and have zero saved, the parents pay 15,000. It's almost always 10% of the parents income at Harvard.

if you make $150,000 and have 250,000 in your house saved, then it's $22,500 for parents.

Hard to compete with that.

Realism wrote:

the lifelong value of a Harvard degree cannot be understated

If running doesn't work out she can command six figures pretty much anywhere she wants, she's a smart girl.

Yes, the "commanding six figures" part of this post may have overstated the Harvard effect. But the smarty-pants negative replies are definitely understating it. New Flash: Plenty of Americans are plenty status-conscious.

Apply for a "given job" in Florida, Texas, or Washington state with a degree from Cornell or Brown, and yes, there's a good chance that no one considering even knows that those schools are Ivy League, and you'll have little or no advantage. But apply to ANY job in ANY state, and EVERYONE knows Harvard. If things are close between the Harvard grad and the Pretty Much Anywhere Else grad, who would you put your money on?

rojo - I'd still say that $22,500 per year is a lot of money for upper middle class families - esp if you have 2+ kids who each want to go college. That is $100k per kid - that adds up fast. $200k...$300k...few families are organized enough to shell that out.

Compare that to, say, U Mich in-state - just $7,000 per year. A kid can pay that with a part time job.

For lower and middle class families, ivies are a bargain, ja.