Well Now That You Mention It wrote:
Regardless of her coach or training regimen it should be expected that by the age of 30 - 31 she would have achieved what will end up being her lifetime best. It is all downhill from there.
I was not aware of this.
She is on the downside , none of Alberto's so called gimmick's will help her at this point. Un employed husband , baby , slowing down , her life is full. Whats the next stage of life bring for her she's thinking ?
Another marathon with a coach that she admits has missed on the prep ?
Nike can be brutally honest when it comes to renewing contracts and athletes competitive value. Finishing 5th at nationals doesn't get much positive press.
it's messed up, but it's been shown athletes tend to lose a step when they've been in a long-term relationship.
when they are single (and disciplined!), or in a new and exciting relationship, they often are better. this is not to say she doesn't have a great marriage, just saying, it's tough to overcome the odds! there are plenty of examples to the contrary, i realize this, but have read about this in multiple places and found it interesting.
the biggest difference between her and flanagan is that shalane is leaner. that's it. switch their bf% and goucher is faster than flanagan. sucks, but that's running for you.
i don't know that i'd agree she's in irreversible decline at age 35. Track PRs more than likely are in her rear view mirror, especially in 3K or 5K, and perhaps 10K as well. That's what she sounded most disappointed about, that her competitive phase of track racing may be coming to an end. That may well be true, but i think she's still got a future on the roads and women runners do tend to be able to stick around till their late 30s...don't forget Constantina Dita in Beijing.
chortle, chortle
Ho Hum wrote:
el segundo wrote:*where.
Whew, thanks. I was going crazy trying to figure out what that meant.
NikeOP wrote:
Yeah I think it was the fact that she got showed up by 2 much younger athletes that are coaches by her former coach. On paper Kara and Shalane definitely should of walked away with spots just with there expirance. Then you have the person you train with on a daily basis have no problem with the race. I'm sure she was definitely embarrassed.
Should OF walked away? Are you serious?
I bet she's wishing she'd driven/flown up to her hometown of Duluth to go for a redemptive win.
Was sitting 2 down from Salazar. Both Gouchers walk right by after the race and not even a word spoken. But Adam gave him a death look that was pretty intense. Kara stopped to talk to family and was in tears. Absolutely no words from Salazar. They were 3 feet away from each other. But Adam seemed genuinely po'd.
Yes! wrote:
A very good point. Goucher turns 35 on July 9. She's not a youngster anymore and the there is tremendous up-and-coming young talent as well. She may very well be entering the decline phase of her career where she gets a little bit slower every year and gets passed by the younger generation of runners.
Dang, she is going to be 35? How did that happen?
the other 3 girls looked like something sucked the fat out of them
KG was lightly heavier
look at the picture
this isn't a al sal qimmick
C Lopes wrote:
Well Now That You Mention It wrote:Regardless of her coach or training regimen it should be expected that by the age of 30 - 31 she would have achieved what will end up being her lifetime best. It is all downhill from there.
I was not aware of this.
Glad I could help.
Who knows what went on behind the scenes when Kara was running with Alberto. But, it seems like Alberto is a better coach. Plus, I think training with Shalane has given Shalane the upper hand. Kara seems to be so impressed with her and seems terrified to go after her in races.
cmg wrote:
Who knows what went on behind the scenes when Kara was running with Alberto. But, it seems like Alberto is a better coach. Plus, I think training with Shalane has given Shalane the upper hand. Kara seems to be so impressed with her and seems terrified to go after her in races.
Shalane is simply WAY better than Kara. That is all there is to that.
cmg wrote:
Who knows what went on behind the scenes when Kara was running with Alberto. But, it seems like Alberto is a better coach. Plus, I think training with Shalane has given Shalane the upper hand. Kara seems to be so impressed with her and seems terrified to go after her in races.
Terrified to go with Shalane? WTF! Did you not see the race?
Going WITH Shalane was her problem. Kara is not in Shalane's league right now in the 10K and should have run with the chase pack and raced for a spot.
Right. I did see the race and, yes, she made that tactical error in going out too hard. However, I stand by what I say. I think, in general, training with Shalane has messed with Kara's confidence. I think Kara needs to be in a top dog training situation.
I think you missed the point.
cmg wrote:
Right. I did see the race and, yes, she made that tactical error in going out too hard. However, I stand by what I say. I think, in general, training with Shalane has messed with Kara's confidence. I think Kara needs to be in a top dog training situation.
The part of your post where you said 'she seems terrified to go after Shalane' was wrong.
The rest of your post very possible could be correct.
What I found amusing about the interview is Kara actually thought she was going to worlds. Not a chance that one of the two don't get the B and Hadtins is still ahead of her. Also, in the floatrack interview a few days ago Shalane mentioned that Kara wasn't even there training but had been back in Portland.
She looked like she was leaning backwards. Agree with other posters she looks like a sumo wrestler compared to the top 4. 35 isn't too old to have made that team. Denna would have beat her last night and is 40. FL Smith set the US record at 39.
Good point Montesquieu
I was doing some searching and reading not too long ago on an older post here on letsrun regarding Bowermann's training and the conversation you had with Knut K. You know your stuff so I'm not surprised that you would have caught the Salazar - PR connection.
Does anyone know why Kara and Shalane were training separately? I thought part of the benefit of working with Jerry was for Kara to not have to train alone- she in the past noted that to be a drawback of working with Salazar. Did Kara do any altitude training post-Boston?