yyy wrote:
but Gebriweth looked tired probably due to jet lag.
Addis Ababa is one hour ahead of Rome.
yyy wrote:
but Gebriweth looked tired probably due to jet lag.
Addis Ababa is one hour ahead of Rome.
did'nt he run in New York May 25?
yyy wrote:
did'nt he run in New York May 25?
And then had nearly two weeks until Rome
and 7hours. that clearly had an impact if you look at the races.
yyy wrote:
and 7hours. that clearly had an impact if you look at the races.
No it didn't. Alamirew ran Prefontaine the Saturday before and was just fine. Jet lag was not a factor.
The pack was behind the pacers early on and it was Gebrhiwet who did the work to bring them back up. He paced a 12:48 guy and paid the price.
looking at his 13:10 jog in New York, he looked awful in Rome.
Jet lag certainly was a factor. OK, we disagree. so be it.
yyy wrote:
looking at his 13:10 jog in New York, he looked awful in Rome.
Jet lag certainly was a factor. OK, we disagree. so be it.
How did he look awful? He had a 1:59 800m in the middle of that 5000m to bring it back towards sub-13 pace and he ran about 55.5 for the last lap to run 12:56. Since when is that a bad day?
See how this could make sense: he flies 14 hours and across seven time zones to go to New York and 48 hours after his arrival, he demolishes the field with a solo run. He then flies another 14 hours home, and has ten days at home before flying across a single time zone for Rome, and yet he's somehow dealing with the travel he completed a week and half earlier?
I could see you make a case for people who competed in Eugene, but if he's fine with flying across the world 48 hours before his competition, he's clearly going to be fine having been back at home for ten days and then pushing his watch back just a single hour. At that point, he has as much adjustment to make as an Irish or British athlete.
Why does not make more sense that Alamirew was just better that night, perhaps in part because of the work done in the middle stages to bring the field back to the pace?
ukathleticscoach wrote:
Alamirew 53.5 last 400
Was he far behind Gebrhiwet at the bell? Saw live and thought BBC had it in 54 last lap and can't find video
Gebrhiwet looked a bit tired in this race to me
Mo is still the one to beat in Moscow
Hi coach!
Just looked at the recording again. There was not a clear side shot of the athletes going through the bell. I got that 53.5 based on the fact that on the freeze frame, the penultimate lap time of 64.87 when the overall time was 12:01.2.
Just before this point Alamirew was in 3rd position, but only about 2m behind the leader. So I worked out his time at the bell was c. 12:01.4, thus giving a last lap of 53.5.
However, looking at it again, I noticed the last lap split came up at the end as 54.0*. So the leader must have gone through the bell at 12:00.9. This means (not surprisingly I see now) that there was a fraction of a second delay before they put up the penultimate lap time.
Alamirew was definitely under 54 on that last lap, and I would say between 0.2 and 0.3 behind the leader at the bell. So I would say a more accurate last lap split was 53.7 or 53.8.
The other splits were clearly visible though. He passed the 300m mark in 12:14.9, the 200 mark in 12:28.7 and the 100m from home line in 12:42.0.
Thus giving closing splits of:- c. 53.7, 40.0, 26.2 and 12.9
All highly impressive in a sub 13:00.
It doesn't put them in 7:22 form for 3000 however.
52.43 wrote:Vent, it's always funny when you talk about that race. - He was just spent at the end, listen the damn commentary
from someone who clearly didn't see the race
some of the early laps were too slow & hicham was annoyed & upset & he actually shooed the pacer to speed up but not run off stoopidly as he did
i saw it live on satellite & it was damn obvious that hicham had no chance when he got to 4'53 in such a rubbish fashion - he didn't look happy & certainly an even pace 4'53 woudn't have upset him, but he didn't get it
you clearly didn't see it
And you offer no point at all - 4:53 is the same split as Komen and 58s or even 57s laps on the way to this split are nothing out of the ordinary
learn
as soon to be 4'44wr holder, an even 4'53 pace wouda been absolute no sweat at all for hicham, but the rubbish pacing earlier had screwed him
it cost him 7'20/7'21
58,7 would be a perfect lap at pace to 4:53,6! Komen ran a 57 as first lap, later a 58,3. His pacing was like suididal to 1k - 2:25. You realize that's pace for ~ 7:16-7:17 ??
what komen's shape & race couda been if fully rested & even pace is not relevant
what is relevant is what hicham couda run that day with proper pacing
7'20/7'21
i make no inference to what the wr was or shouda been at the time, just what hicham shouda run
good to see your/you're finally back
Just watched the race from ntujavelin on youtube. Wow! Nasty last 150m, at that pace! You got to think that when Gebremeskel won that Paris race, he should have been able to crack 12:40 with perfect pacemaking.
Alamirew - how the story began, unexpected 7:28 in Milan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czXqV4-p4S8
(1:10 the kick)
Stuttgart indoors victory, outkicking Choge who ran 7:28.0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P86-U5wYd5E
Groningen 4mile road win over T.Bekele, second fastest time ever
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbug5s26Heg
My favorite, 3000m Doha 2011, 7:27,26 (7th best ever), outkicking a world class field: Soi, Kipchoge, Choge, Chepkok, Kipchirchir Komen, Kipsiro, T. Bekele, Longosiwa
52.43 wrote:Just watched the race from ntujavelin on youtube. Wow! Nasty last 150m, at that pace! You got to think that when Gebremeskel won that Paris race, he should have been able to crack 12:40 with perfect pacemaking
you learnt something
now learn something more
if you can crack 12'40, you shouda beeen looking at 7'21/7'22 not 7'25/7'26
ventolin^3 wrote:
if you can crack 12'40, you shouda beeen looking at 7'21/7'22 not 7'25/7'26
What's Bekele's 12:37 line of fit for 3k?
prelim
51.5 / 1'47.9 ->
3'30.7
4'46.0
7'19.7
12'35.4
26'12.0
geb2 in paris was probably in 3'30, perhaps 3'29 shape ( 3'28 is not out of the question - that was most brutal finish i've ever seen in a fast 5k - remember, a 7'20 komen only finished a 12'45 in 58+ )
kennster at his prime was likely in 3'30/3'31
put it simply, geb2 wouda blown away even peak kennster or geb if they had been in that paris race together at the bell
what the HELL is gebremeskel doing this year??
'put it simply, geb2 wouda blown away even peak kennster or geb if they had been in that paris race together at the bell'
Didn't he finish 2nd in that race and are you saying Gebrhiwet can run faster than 12:35?
sure. just like Jim Ryun could go 3:24 in the 60s.