NCAA champs who were not that good in high school.

I know a runner that had a PR of 4:22 or 4:23 for the mile in high school. By the time he was a senior (D1 college) he was running in the finals of the 1500. Still relevant as well.

26mi235 wrote:

dkshgfd;ih wrote:

got you all beat:

Bob Schul ran a 4:36 in HS, a 9:52 2 mile in CC and could only manage a 2:04 in the 800.

He is the only american to win 5k gold.

Little bit of context on those marks; it was a long time ago and high school kids did very little mileage and did not know what others were doing.

Somewhat but within 10 years he was a world record holder in the 2 mile, gold medal winner and a 3:56 miler all done on cinders and less then optimal training per todays standards. Someone like Bob would probably been a 12 minute 5k guys, 3:4x miler and a 8:1x 2 miler today. Likely his HS times wouldnt of changed much.

What did Ed Moran run in HS? I don't think he was much under 16 minutes in the 5k in cross country.

I think he also ran 4:19 for the 1600, 9:26 for the 3200

Let's Contemplate wrote:

What did Ed Moran run in HS? I don't think he was much under 16 minutes in the 5k in cross country.

fghrunner wrote:

Lisa Koll and Angela Bizarri weren't super studs in HS but both won multiple NCAA titles, and Koll set the 10k NCAA record

Lisa ran 10:16 in the 3k for third and placed 8th in cross country her senior year; 4:51 1500. Huge jumps made in high school.

Her husband was more of a "stud": 4:16/9:06, multiple state track and cross country titles

Kyle Walter.

4:20/9:20 off of 30-40mpw, barely training over the summer is very different from 4:20/9:20 off of 80 mpw year round while starting in middle school.

In the 1990s, you had a ton of guys who were 4:20/9:20 types who went on to quanlify for Nationals (don't know about winning) in cross and on the track. They weren't any less talented than today's 4:09/9:05 guy... they just ran a heck of a lot less, likely didn't train year round, etc. Similarly, today's 4:20/9:20 guy is probably (generally)less talented than a guy who graduated in 1995 with the same times.

So circumstance matters a huge amount. My college team (D1, cusp of CC nationals team) was made almost entirely of soccer players who ran 4:28 on the track (junior year), guys who started running as a junior and ran 9:30, etc. Sort of "non-traditional" types. Our top guy was a 9:50/4:24 guy and he ended up being a mult-time USATF finalist and 2x individual qualifier in cross. There was this other dude, who started running in college. He went to a D3 school and by the time he was done with his sophomore year, he ran 1:56. Not bad for a 2nd year runner as a 21yo. He transferred to our school and ran 1:51 as a junior and was a contributor in cross. Those "finds" don't happen much these days.

You could find these guys back in the mid-90s. Today, its much harder to find the diamond in the rough as they were discovered in middle school by a hs coach, not in hs by a college coach and likely train hard from a relatively young age.

declan murray was like 153 in high school i believe maybe 1. he was third indoors in the 800 and hammered to the final yesterday. 146 pr

Not Comparable wrote:

doodles wrote:

Cam Levins anyone? 1:59/4:18/9:25 in high school is nothing special at all and he's faster than all the jokers you've named...

Canadians have an extra year of high school, so it isn't really fair to compare Cam's high school numbers to the stats of Americans.

First of all, no they don't.

Second, even if there was an extra year why would that make a difference?

lol Canadians don't have an extra year of high school... Who said that to you? You better not talk to him any more!

Any Canadian teen who follow a normal progression graduates of high school the year he's turning 18.

Phoebe Wright was around a 2:16 800 runner in HS, and walked on at Tennessee.

This is not true. The province of Ontario used to have a fifth year of secondary school (called Ontario Academic Credit) but this was phased out in 2003. All other areas of the country have always been K-12.

Cam Levins grew up in BC, so this is a non-issue.

Ryan Brown from Washington. Ran 1:55 his senior year of high school. NCAA champion at 800 meters outdoor 2006, indoors 2007. World team 2008

MrJingles wrote:

Ryan Brown from Washington. Ran 1:55 his senior year of high school. NCAA champion at 800 meters outdoor 2006, indoors 2007. World team 2008

Add Tyler Mulder UNI to that list. 1:54 high as a senior, won NCAA indoor 800 in 2008. Now has a PR of 1:44.75

No they're not, and in fact one of them is a FRESHMAN!

Austin Tamagno.

Emma Coburn was only 4th at Colorado cross country champs in the smallest school division as a senior, with a time over 20 minutes. Not so slow these days.