london Olympic champion Turkish Cakir Alptekin dopes positive

quote]Once an Expert wrote:

Stellingwerff is a big fan of the transitive property, eh?[/quote]

How do you mean?

agip wrote:

probably the passport - like you said, WADA can't use the passport until they get enough data from an athlete to detect abnormalities. She probably did not understand how it worked.

This passport thing is going to have a sad unintended consequence - people like Cakir will do no diamond league races, no races at all except for the WC and OG, so they might be able to avoid assembling a passport.

The quality of the diamond league will go down, and WC and OG will be full of surprises.

Unless I am misunderstanding the process.

I would be happy to see the diamond league times get slower if it meant cleaner competition and prize money to the more deserving athletes.

Good point about WC/OG though. Maybe I misunderstand but I think it is ultimately up to the national anti-doping organizations to decide who is subject to out-of-competition testing. Naturally it's going to be high profile athletes. A low profile athlete might slip under the radar.

Jamal did not move from Ethiopia to Bahrain. She moved to Switzerland. But the Swiss allow refuge but are very slow to give citizenship, if at all. That's why she runs for Bahrain.

In light of the doping news, here are the official revised results as per the Let'sRun worldview:

Rank Athlete Nationality Time Notes[6]

1 Abeba Aregawi Ethiopia 4:11.03

2 Shannon Rowbury United States 4:11.26

3 Lisa Dobriskey Great Britain 4:13.02

4 Laura Weightman Great Britain 4:15.60

5 Hellen Onsando Obiri Kenya 4:16.57

N/A Morgan Uceny United States N/A DNF

True enough. Jamal has been competing regularly and tested frequently. No reason to suspect her any more than anyone else in the field, certainly less than the 4th place Russian, which is why I said top 4.

old coach man wrote:

123 wrote:

wouldn't be at all surprised to see the top 4 test positive

Jamal is one of the most active runners on the circuit. She has not failed a test. The only reason she has been suspected of doping is because she moved from Ethiopia to Bahrain. Believe it or not some folks move for political reasons.

mako wrote:

Ben L. Wrong wrote:

7th, 8th and 9th are suspicious to me.

I can assure you that (former) Czechoslovakia is culturally a very different country than Russia or Belorussia and the training system is completely different.

Tell that to Jarmila Kratochvilova and Jolanda Ceplak.

Jolanda Ceplak is from Slovenia actually, different country

You should see the reaction from the UK athletes, as if no one from the Uk ever doped. People like Radcliffe, Dobriskey, Charlene Thomas etc. don't seem to be as vocal about guys like Dwain Chambers or David Millar.

not from czech republic wrote:

Jolanda Ceplak is from Slovenia actually, different country

Who cares, if you are not a distance runner from US, Canada,England, New Zealand, Australia, you are a cheater.

look at her face.

when I say guilt-ridden consciousness, I don't mean that she felt bad about the act but that she knows what she did and it gives no joy.

My Name Is Judge wrote:

In light of the doping news, here are the official revised results as per the Let'sRun worldview:

Rank Athlete Nationality Time Notes[6]

1 Abeba Aregawi Ethiopia 4:11.03

2 Shannon Rowbury United States 4:11.26

3 Lisa Dobriskey Great Britain 4:13.02

4 Laura Weightman Great Britain 4:15.60

5 Hellen Onsando Obiri Kenya 4:16.57

N/A Morgan Uceny United States N/A DNF

in reality, this is the revised results from the London W1500 final showing all the dope-free runners:

1 Not available (DNS)

2 Not available (DNS)

3 Not available (DNS)

just sayin wrote:how the hell did kelly holmes beat this lot clean

1 Kelly Holmes Great Britain 3:57.90 NR

2 Tatyana Tomashova Russia 3:58.12 PB

3 Maria Cioncan Romania 3:58.39 PB

4 Natalya Yevdokimova Russia 3:59.05 PB

5 Daniela Yordanova Bulgaria 3:59.10PB

6 Lidia Chojecka Poland 3:59.27 SB

7 Anna Jakubczak Poland 4:00.15 PB

8 Elvan Abeylegesse Turkey 4:00.67

9 Carmen Douma-Hussar Canada 4:02.31 PB

10 Natalia Rodriguez Spain 4:03.01 SB

11 Olga Yegorova Russia 4:05.65

12 Hasna Benhassi morocco 4:12.90

and most of them on PBs

eh ???

she lost a 1500 in 4'03 to a non-descript pole just before games, went to a "great" training camp in cyprus & turns up in high-1'55 & 3'55 shape in athens !!!

yes, her 3'57 was spent running curves in lane 2 & even sometimes 3 !!!

she couda gone 3'55 that day on the circuit

she looked absolutely no chance of even a medal prior to games

good reason Uceny should have gotten up and finished

Harry Carey wrote:

For all the hype Mackhloufi's run received, there was no London race more depressingly emblematic of the prevalence of drugs in track and field than that women's 1500.

Just a list, you decide:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_doping_cases_in_athletics

+1

Where is sprintgeezer, he should be all over this

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she lost a 1500 in 4'03 to an unknown Polish woman just before the games, went to a "great" training camp in Cyprus & turns up in high-1'55 & 3'55 shape in Athens.

Her 3'57 was spent running curves in lane 2 & even sometimes 3. She could have gone 3'55 that day. Prior to the games, she looked to have absolutely no chance at a medal NOTE: edited to be clear English[quote]

Stories like this remind me that all results from a certain era should be met with a default position of skepticism. I imagine a sliding

scale of "believability," so, a result from 2012 is let's say 80% believable, whereas a result from 1996 is 10% believable. Actually, given the sudden influx of ridiculously fast times in the 5k and 1500 in 2012, I'd put 2011's results at more likely to be clean.