State HS Mile Records

Sagarin wrote:

Also, I think most CO kids that run Arcadia run the 3200, shooting for the magical 9:00 barrier. Plenty of them improve by 20 seconds over the distance at sea level, though the conversion allows for more like two seconds per lap. Of course, most of those kids are in rarified air, pun intended, to begin with and don't have much competition in CO.

Yes, most good CO kids opt for the 3200 at Arcadia. The fastest HS time run in CO is 4:10.98 by Richie Martinez (Widefield HS) in 1986 I think. Far superior to Winter's 4:07 at low-elevation.

The last kid to go to Arcadia and win there in the 1600/Mile was Ryan Deak. He went 4:12-ish there to win, and I think he ran around 4:12 again in CO that same season...

MobileRunner wrote:

uytkiuy wrote:

It makes perfect sense that they only keep the state meet records because that's the only meet that the state operates. And they're not calling it the state record, only the state meet record. Any changing of that phrase is not their fault.

Not really. Records in other sports include the regular season. (TDs in football, points scored in basketball, HRs in baseball) The state also refers to them as the "state record" and a lot of people in our state have the misconception that a "state record" can only be set at the state meet. If the state high school athletic association can keep up with the mountain of stats for every other sport, it shouldn't be too tough for them to also keep track of the overall state records in track and field.

But those other sports only keep records for games that are within their jurisdiction. For example, you are correct that to be consistent a state should keep records from meets from their district/league levels as well, but is it their responsibility to keep records from out-of-state invitationals? Post-season meets? USATF meets? Open meets?

mcgato wrote:

Since I put together a list of the best 2 mile HS times by state (see here:

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=4980966&page=1

), I thought I'd do the same for the mile. Some notes (others below):

i = indoor

+ = converted from 1600 or 1500

? = old time, and not sure if it imperial, metric, converted or what

You didn't really mark any of the times in the original post as being indoor or outdoor, despite having a legend mark for it. Could you add in the indoor distinction so we can compare the indoor vs outdoor marks? Thanks.

Pretty sure Ed Delashumtt of Ft. Madison IA ran 4:05 mile at IPI or one of the big post season meets that year. He won all three (IPI, Golden West, and one other) if I remember right as well as Drake and the IA state championship.

At this point, they aren't even keeping track of in state results that occur at meets that are sanctioned by our state's athletic association. With the advent of the internet/milesplit, its just as easy to keep track of in state, sanctioned meets as it is for out of state, non-sanctioned meets. Milesplit does all of the work for them so there's no excuse for not having legitimate "state records" recognized by the state.

You must've not been in the running community in the 2001-2004 years. The guy won outdoor nationals in the mile and ran for Arkansas for a year....oh and I believe he is a 3:37 1,500 meter Olympian. If you have doubts google his name.

not a big name at all I guess...

C/M Runner wrote:

You didn't really mark any of the times in the original post as being indoor or outdoor, despite having a legend mark for it. Could you add in the indoor distinction so we can compare the indoor vs outdoor marks? Thanks.

I copied the notes over from my 2 mile list on the other thread. There are some indoor 2 miles on that list, but none of the times on the mile list are from indoors.

I will try to make updates on both lists at some time. Thanks to all who have given updates.

Updated list:

VA: 3:53.43 Alan Webb 2001

KS: 3:55.3 Jim Ryun 1965

CA: 3:59.4 Tim Danielson 1966

IL: 3:59.71 Lukas Verzbicas 2011

NJ: 3:59.8 Marty Liquori 1967

TX: 4:01.02 Steve Magness 2003

MA: 4:01.03+ Jon Riley 1997 (3:43.18 @1500)

MN: 4:01.09 Rob Finnerty 2008

NY: 4:01.27+ Matthew Centrowitz 1973 (3:43.4 @1500)

AZ: 4:01.32 Bernie Montoya 2012

WA: 4:01.5 Gerry Lindgren 1964

OR: 4:01.8 Galen Rupp 2004

IN: 4:01.83 Austin Mudd 2011

RI: 4:02.70 Andrew Springer 2009

WV: 4:02.73 Jacob Burcham 2012

WI: 4:02.81 Gabe Jennings 1997

OH: 4:03.12 Brannon Kidder 2012

MD: 4:03.40 Matthew Centrowitz 2007

FL: 4:03.87 Sam Vazquez 2003

NC: 4:03.96 Craig Engels 2012

MO: 4:04.25 Jason Pyrah 1987

CT: 4:04.27+ Gavin Cooms 2004 (3:46.17 @1500)

UT: 4:04.46 Brad Nye 2012

PA: 4:04.65+ Paul Vandergrift 1987 (4:03.22 @1600)

GA: 4:04.78 Brendan Mahoney 1999

MI: 4:05.82+ Omar Kaddurah 2011 (3:47.61 @1500)

IA: 4:05.91+ Ed DeLashmutt 1976 (3:47.7 @1500)

LA: 4:06.11 Ryan Travis 1997

HI: 4:06.3 Kurt Mench 1970

TN: 4:06.53 Andrew Bumbalough 2005

AK: 4:06.65 Trevor Dunbar 2009

CO: 4:07.02 Connor Winter 2011

KY: 4:07.06 Bobby Curtis 2003

AL: 4:07.07 Patrick McGregor 2009

ID: 4:07.29 Marty Stroschein 1985

MS: 4:07.32 Matthew Cameron 2007

SD: 4:07.9 Jim Reinhart 1973

OK: 4:08.60 Mark Thompson 1997

NV: 4:08.76 Wade Meddles 2010

NH: 4:09.21 Francis Hernandez 2010

NE: 4:09.29 Brian Turner 1998

SC: 4:09.6 Jimmy Wilkens 1970

NM: 4:09.86 Shadrack Kiptoo 2004

ME: 4:10.0 Brian Pettingill 1980

MT: 4:10.56 David Vidal 2001

ND: 4:10.73+ Corey Ihmels 1992 (4:09.54 @1600)

AR: 4:11.92 Eric Gross 2001

DE: 4:13.53+ Brian Sklodowski 2006 (4:11.93 @1600)

WY: 4:14.60 Dominick Robinson 2009

VT: 4:15.61+ John Daley 1986 (3:57.4 @1500)

--Couldn't find any info on the other listed for VT, so I'm going with the only one that I trust at this point.

--Thanks to all who helped with info on this and the other thread.

Looks like your original VT record was right. If still unsure, Bobby Edgerton ran 3:55 in '04.

Might be some other older times you could get off of Hoffman's list.

How many of the state records would be set in April (or, for more southern states, for an appropriate assessment of Colorado's schedule, March).

Sagarin wrote:

dadalyfe wrote:

Plenty of Colorado kids travel to Arcadia every year.

Yes, but I don't think they can "spin their wheels," so to speak, in training at altitude like they would be able to at sea level, so, to the extent that's true, they would be at a disadvantage. The state record in CO is a hair under 4:11 I believe, which would convert to about a 4:04-high to a 4:05 roughly.

I go to Tim Maxfield's school. Not a 4:08 guy, not even close. He ran 4:22.

PA: 4:04.65+ Paul Vandergrift 1987

TN: 4:06.53 Andrew Bumbalough 2005

AK: 4:06.65 Trevor Dunbar 2009

CO: 4:07.02 Connor Winter 2011

KY: 4:07.06 Bobby Curtis 2003

NM: 4:09.86 Shadrack Kiptoo 2004

Pretty remarkable how many of the top few on that list are Olympians, and how there is a pretty notable drop-off after Pyrah. Also, of those recordholders faster than 4:04, plenty have a chance to make an Olympic team, as they are not in their prime yet.

I may have missed some Olympians somewhere on that list (and recordholders not on the list), but it was interesting how clearly those elite high school milers have such a great shot at becoming Olympic level athletes.[/quote]

Not too sure about how bad the drop off is. These guys have not done too badly, and/or are not doing too badly now.

vtcheese wrote:

http://www.cs.uml.edu/~phoffman/nats/milers1.htm

Looks like your original VT record was right. If still unsure, Bobby Edgerton ran 3:55 in '04.

http://www.dyestat.com/3rank/4out/dse4out-final-boys.htm

Might be some other older times you could get off of Hoffman's list.

I'm going to go with Edgerton's time for now. Thanks for that one.

The problem with the Hoffman list for VT is that there are two times, both listed as being 1600m from Vermont II. I take that to be the class II state meet in VT, which has running the 1500m for a long time. Neither has a year attached, which sends up red flags for me. I can't find any proof that they are from anything other than a 1500m.

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At the risk of responses from posters such as "Who cares?", can someone put together the best mile times by state for girls?

What does your current list look like?

I think more posters will add what they know to your list than take up a task you, someone who cares enough to want the list, finds too onerous to undertake..

Couple of new records this weekend at the Eastern Relays!

TN: Brock Baker 4:06.77

KY: Jacob Thomson 4:06.98

You are pretty wrong, Ed's mile best was 4:07. He did run 3:47 for 1500 at the US junior meet and finished third or so.

WHS 76 wrote:

Pretty sure Ed Delashumtt of Ft. Madison IA ran 4:05 mile at IPI or one of the big post season meets that year. He won all three (IPI, Golden West, and one other) if I remember right as well as Drake and the IA state championship.

North Dakota needs to be updated if it's still at 4:10. Leingang soloed a 4:05 at his regional meet.