C'mon man..Johnnie Guy is a freshman..He wasn't expected to go get top 20 or anything.
C'mon man..Johnnie Guy is a freshman..He wasn't expected to go get top 20 or anything.
The timing and scoring at D1...and D3
Anyone got an idea as to what happened to iona? I mean I think most people thought they'd start to drop off after the Byrne athletes all graduated - but no one thought they'd be this bad.
One guy dropped out? Anything else here?
Sorry guys, but cmon wrote:
:-)) wrote:NC State
Is it really choking if everyone expects you to choke?
They must put something in the North Carolina water during every Championship season. How else to you explain the total disasters that are NC State, UNC, Duke, and Wake EVERY year, during EVERY season.
To all you high schoolers out there...DON"T go to college in North Carolina!
Say what you want about NC State teams of the past, but I'm not sure if this year they underperformed at NCAA's. They were ranked 28th coming in after really only making the meet because ACC champs VT ran poorly at regionals. In my opinion, which I'm sure is wrong because it doesn't fit your bashing agenda, finishing better than ranking isn't choking.
make no mistake, Oregon does not qualify without Dunbar's transfer...Probably loses to both ASU, WSU, and UW at Regional.
I was spectating at the spot that Lutz dropped out. He had a ton of kinesio tape on his quads and he was clutching his hammys and glutes just after he stepped off the course. It was pretty clear that he was really in pain and wasn't thrilled about DNFing. Maybe, you multi time All Americans could cut him some slack.
no explaination wrote:
Anyone got an idea as to what happened to iona? I mean I think most people thought they'd start to drop off after the Byrne athletes all graduated - but no one thought they'd be this bad.
One guy dropped out? Anything else here?
i think coaching is to blame for a talented team running that badly. How much do you blame the athletes depends on how much you think it was mental, did they choke at nationals, or is the training/program fundamentally wrong. i am interested in what people think, are the athletes to blame collectively or the coaches for the choke performances? How much do we put on the coach or the athlete etc 50% each ? thoughts...
The meet organisers. What a bunch of wankers.u
Runner2012 wrote:
The timing and scoring at D1...and D3
How do these guys get work? That was some of the most bush league timing. A complete joke.
Wounded Buffalo soldier wrote:
fun. wrote:BEST IMPROVEMENT PERFORMANCES:
1) 85th Elmar Engholm New Mexico
2) 80th Nathan Weitz NAU
3) 91st Thomas Gruenewald BYU
4) 116th JR Ricker Indiana
5) 92nd Max Straneva Syracuse
6) 104th Robby Nierman Indiana
7) 126th Sam Evans New Mexico
8) 30th Peter Okwera Tennessee
9) 33rd Matt Johnsen Lamar
10) 68th James Hodges Texas A&M
11) 65th Connor Winter Colorado
12) 93rd Marc Scott Tulsa
13) 49th Rob Finnerty Wisconsin
14) 138th Ole Hesselbjerg EKU
15) 142nd Brian Himelright N.C. State
16) 43rd Chris Bendtsen Princeton
17) 148th Evan Esselink Indiana
18) 113th Alex Hatz Wisconsin
19) 56th Max Storms Missouri
20) 84th Conner Peloquin BYU
I think you're missing a few names here. Here is one:
Aric Van Halen, Colorado
2009 -- 130th
2010 -- 177th
2011 -- didn't compete
2012 -- 36th
I 100% agree. When German Fernandez set the all time Woodward park record 14:24 in 2007, Van Halen won the California D5 race in 15:59.
The rocker kid has improved every year. I believe he is the most improved runner from the class of 2008.
He also ran an 8:40's steeple the spring. If he continues to improve his dad band will be playing Hot for Teacher when lines up at the 2016 Rio Olympic Steeple final. :)
I actually expected Dunbar to finish somewhere in the top 15. He always seems to do good at conference and regionals and then disappears at Championship time. Anyways I hope he can set some PR's on the track this coming spring.
This.
"Saina... She barely beat out girls 3-4 years younger than her..."
you make the call wrote:
Lutz crying after he stopped.
http://www.flotrack.org/coverage/249913-2012-NCAA-Division-I-Cross-Country-Championships/video/662823-Craig-Lutz-goes-down-with-injury-and-emotion-at-2012-NCAA-XC-ChampsInjury or Jenny B meltdown from going out too fast?
that kid's got a wide stance
Biggest choke was the organizing committee and its inability to post the results correctly. 2nd biggest choke , LetsRun for not calling out in a bigger way and demanding excellence for the athletes.
Biggest choke...hands down the NCAA D1 track & field committee that oversees the meet. There is absolutely no way in hell that Delta Timing should've been hired after that debacle!
Flash Results curiously wasn't a part of any of the NCAA cross country championship meets...how is the best timing company shut out of nationals?
i think coaching is to blame for a talented team running that badly. How much do you blame the athletes depends on how much you think it was mental, did they choke at nationals, or is the training/program fundamentally wrong. i am interested in what people think, are the athletes to blame collectively or the coaches for the choke performances? How much do we put on the coach or the athlete etc 50% each ? thoughts...
I think it's probably 75 percent on the coaches. You see the same teams underperforming every year at nationals. Why don't these coaches modify their training programs? It just seems ridiculous to me.
The people who timed the race
That's what happens when you have to run back to back hard 10k races. If you're not a top team, you prepare for a big race, run all out at Regionals, and then have to do it again the next week.
Azaleas wrote:
That's what happens when you have to run back to back hard 10k races. If you're not a top team, you prepare for a big race, run all out at Regionals, and then have to do it again the next week.
It does not take a week to recover from a 10k
fun. wrote:
WORST PERFORMANCES:
1) 240th Parker Stinson Oregon
2) 228th Martin Medina Colorado
3) 205th Hugh Dowdy Colorado
4) 244th Jason Witt BYU
5) 201st Maksim Korolev Harvard
6) 182nd Matt Sonnenfeldt NC State
7) 188th Rex Shields BYU
8) 166th Jim Rosa Stanford
9) 175th Michael Heller Kent State
10) 194th Thijs Nijhuis EKU
11) 125th Dan Lowry Michigan
12) 137th Tyler Stutzman Stanford
13) 227th Sean Stam New Mexico
14) 112th Joe Rosa Stanford
15) 181st Johnnie Guy Purdue
DNFs
1) Matt Gillespie Iona
2) Craig Lutz Texas
3) James Leakos Harvard
4) Rich Peters BU
5) Brayden Burleigh Virginia Tech
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BEST IMPROVEMENT PERFORMANCES:
1) 85th Elmar Engholm New Mexico
2) 80th Nathan Weitz NAU
3) 91st Thomas Gruenewald BYU
4) 116th JR Ricker Indiana
5) 92nd Max Straneva Syracuse
6) 104th Robby Nierman Indiana
7) 126th Sam Evans New Mexico
8) 30th Peter Okwera Tennessee
9) 33rd Matt Johnsen Lamar
10) 68th James Hodges Texas A&M
11) 65th Connor Winter Colorado
12) 93rd Marc Scott Tulsa
13) 49th Rob Finnerty Wisconsin
14) 138th Ole Hesselbjerg EKU
15) 142nd Brian Himelright N.C. State
16) 43rd Chris Bendtsen Princeton
17) 148th Evan Esselink Indiana
18) 113th Alex Hatz Wisconsin
19) 56th Max Storms Missouri
20) 84th Conner Peloquin BYU
A freshman qualifies for Nationals as an individual and finishes in the top 200 and you consider that a 'worst performance'?
You are clearly an idiot.